Author Topic: [Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?  (Read 363 times)

Paul Hedrick

  • Member
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
[Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?
« on: January 20, 2017, 08:21:41 PM »
What happens when a Circle Knight fails a Wits roll during the kinds of play described on page 85 (i.e., ascending an unnamed person, whether new or previously introduced)? I ask because many other types of failed rolls have concrete consequences associated with them -- such as a Charm roll, or a Wits roll while running around at night -- but I can't find one for seeking/ascending (or think of one myself!).

Paul Hedrick

  • Member
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
Re: [Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 08:16:54 AM »
In lieu of a response(anyone still on this forum?), here's a suggestion for any CoH GM who has the same question: on a failed Ascend roll, sometimes have a different unnamed person Ascend -- not the one the player was looking for. Just an idea.

Ron Edwards

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1422
  • The cold never bothered me anyway
    • View Profile
    • Adept Press
Re: [Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 04:59:56 PM »
Hi! My apologies for not replying earlier.

The Wits roll you're talking about isn't a task roll in the sense of "can I ascend this person," but is rather assessing the character's ability to understand the community they're in. Failure is best narrated in the context of what the player says the character is doing ... or to put it better, don't have any dice rolled until the character's location, actions, and attempted interactions are being clearly imagined by the player(s) and GM.

If the actions are relatively passive, like, "I hang out by the seashore and keep an eye on how people interact," then the immediate consequences of failure are minor. Maybe nothing. At most, someone takes note of the stranger hanging around, which is happening anyway. But the real consequence of the failed roll is that the character cannot understand the locals well enough to grasp where "the kind of person I'm looking for" might be - and that failure is a closed door, socially speaking, for that character. Sometimes it's hard to find the right "in" when you're in a new place, and the Iron Folk can be mighty obstructive that way.

If the actions are more focused and interactive, then the consequences of failure can be expanded to include immediate repercussions. These are far too specific to the moment of play to generalize about, but on the other hand, they're also pretty easy if you're in that moment yourself.

Let me know if that helps or makes sense anyway.

Best, Ron

Paul Hedrick

  • Member
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
Re: [Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 08:02:13 AM »
Hello! Thank you for the response.

Yes, that makes perfect sense and is quite helpful. I couldn't quite grasp what was at stake with the roll.

Thanks again!

Ron Edwards

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1422
  • The cold never bothered me anyway
    • View Profile
    • Adept Press
Re: [Circle of Hands] Failed Wits Roll?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2017, 11:47:39 AM »
No problem, and if I drop the ball in replying here again, please feel free to send me a reminder email.

Best, Ron