I'm worried that the passport stuff is starting to overtake the GenCon post-mortem thread, so I'm starting this one.
Perceptions appear to be in two different camps. From where I'm standing, the majority has been positive; folks on my LJ and here saying that the passport did what I wanted it to do:
- Increase traffic among the booths
- Give booths an opportunity to define a "you must do this for your stamp" activity at their booths with the hopes of driving sales
- Establish a far-ranging community identity for the small press RPG publishers in attendance
- Orient convention-goers on where to find "the awesome"
- Incentivize but not mandate con-goers to visit all of the locations and find out what they're about
- Share the love through kewl lewtz
At least one dissenting voice has been heard, however, with observations like:
- The passport didn't drive sales, just increased valueless traffic
- With traffic came interruption of existing booth activities
- The traffic was largely composed of familiar faces (*) who didn't buy product
(*) I can't say that I share the familiar faces perception, at least, because I failed to recognize so many of the names I drew from the box. Of the 12 names I drew, only 2 or 3 were folks I knew, so at least from where I'm standing that means four times as many people as I could have easily identified as "indie crowd" by name participated, if not far more. I may get a chance to look through all the submitted passports and comment on that.
Generally, on the ground commentary from the various booths was pretty positive, especially the "non-standardly indie" booths like the Exile Studios, Cubicle 7, Rogue Games, and Grey Ghost Games folks. There was another "run around and get your card punched" event being run at the convention too, and the feedback I specifically got from the booths that participated in both (Rogue/Grey Ghost), the passport was vastly preferred. Most have asserted an interest in continuing and expanding the passport's role in 2008.
But I want to hear from everyone on this -- whether it was as a passport carrier (con-goer) or as a passport beneficiary (exhibitor). What were your specific experiences like?
For me the single most important aspect of the passport was reinforcing the sense of community...both ways. I like and want the buying public to associate "indie games" as being part of this larger movement sweeping across the hobby and reinforced by numerous quasi-related booths in the GenCon hall. These aren't small obscure vanity games...these are a Thing.
I like and want the designers to build and maintain connections amongst ourselves. For a number of years "The Forge" provided a kind of branding umbrella for a certain subset of indie publishers. IPR provides another such umbrella for a larger subset. But there are alot of indie designers out there not associated...or only tangentally...with either of those and if we can build the "Indie-Passport" into an even larger community / network of indie-designers that would be fantastic. There are many key advantages to being an Indie Publisher...and one of them is "we are not competitors...we are allies" and to the extent that the passport is one visual / public means of helping to establish that identity...it can only be a net win for everyone.
Plus it was just way cool. I went and collected stamps because I wanted the passport as an artifact on its own (going the extra step of creating logo stamps REALLY was the differentiating feature)...of course, I lost the darn thing and so failed in that goal...but still...just collecting the stamps was of greater interest to me than the prizes...I can't be the only person geeked out on that aspect.
From where I'm standing that's well worth the price of having to deal with a few interruptions...all of which are not really "interuptions" but rather "opportunities to demonstrate customer service standards". I mean how you deal with the guy who just wants a stamp might not help land his sale...but it very well could influence (pro or con) the sale you're in the middle of trying to make.
Quote from: Valamir on August 22, 2007, 03:10:42 PM
Plus it was just way cool. I went and collected stamps because I wanted the passport as an artifact on its own (going the extra step of creating logo stamps REALLY was the differentiating feature)...of course, I lost the darn thing and so failed in that goal...but still...just collecting the stamps was of greater interest to me than the prizes...I can't be the only person geeked out on that aspect.
Anecdote. On Saturday, someone specifically requested to be able to keep his passport but still be entered in the drawing. We managed to work that out, which was cool. But, yeah, you weren't the only one geeked out on that aspect of the Passport.
So, there are a few numbers to comment on here.
Production vs Use vs Return
First off is the number of passports I printed: 1000.
Of those, I distributed maybe 400 or 500 to the various booths on the passport circuit (50 each at most), at a ballpark -- less than half of the stack. I don't have a sense of the rate of consumption at each of those locations, but I think most of them had leftovers at the end.
Of the 500 to 600 that left at the Forge booth, based on the single stack we had left at the end of the convention, I'd say the Forge booth got between 300 and 400 (basically I eyeballed us as having around 200 left, but due to the booth breakdown frenzy didn't make an actual count of it) out into circulation.
I did hear from a few people that they lost their passports or decided they wanted to keep them rather than put them into the drawing. This is fine from my perspective because I wanted the passport to be a map of places to visit first and foremost, and a prize drawing as a distant second.
I think I managed to grab most of the passports that were put into the drawing and bring 'em back with me, but this may have been a "lossy" process; the total I have on hand is (approximately) 75-80 passports actually submitted for the drawing. I don't think I kept all of the winners' passports, which is why that's a range rather than a fixed number.
I think marketers often feel lucky to get even a 1% return rate on a survey or drawing or whatever, but maybe I'm on crack to think that... still, getting 8% of the passports back doesn't sound bad to me, even if I had originally been overestimating the number we got back as being between 100 and 200 (it's hard to estimate how many passports are in a big pile when you're rapidly stuffing that pile into a box so you can get out of the exhibit hall).
A rough attempt at statistics on those follows...
Stamp Frequency
The vast majority of those returned had all 11 locations stamped.
10 had 10 of the 11 locations stamped. Universally, the omitted location was Games On Demand (I anticipated this).
1 had 9 locations stamped. Omissions: Keith Senkowski, Games on Demand
1 had 8 locations stamped. Omissions: Cubicle 7, Exile Studio, Games on Demand (our three most remote locations)
2 had 7 locations stamped, in the same pattern. Omissions: same as the 8, but also lacking Keith.
1 had 4 locations stamped, getting only the forge, hamster press, play collective, and burning dead -- the four "most visible" from the Forge booth.
4 had 3 locations stamped:
- 4 Burning Dead stamps
- 3(!) Forge stamps
- 2 Play Collective stamps
- 1 Games on Demand
- 1 Hamster Press
- 1 Keith Senkowski
So by process of elimination something like 56-60 of the ones returned were fully stamped, with 19 being partials as described above. Burning Dead was the only one to achieve 100% exposure on the ones returned, with the Forge being down 1 stamp out of the 75-80, and Play Collective being down 2 -- not shocking given the proximities and line of sight on all three involved. You can crunch numbers on the above for the rest. Games on Demand suffered the most, but was the most remote and potentially required the greatest level of involvement in order to get your stamp...
Name Recognition
So, the question that remains is, of those returned, how many are names I recognize? This is a very subjective thing, dependent on my memory and internet travel patterns. Someone will be recognized if:
- I know their real name
- I frequent a forum they're on using an identity that I have managed to put together with their real name
- Or if I listen to a podcast they do
- Or if I recognize them from livejournal
- Or if I recognize them as a reviewer or other internet personality
- Or if I've absorbed their name as a part of working IPR's customer support queue
- I've sat at a table with them at Dexcon or Dreamation or Nerdly etc
I'm doing the '2 second test' on these names. If I wrinkle my brow and go "hm, sounds familiar" it goes in the recognition pile. This should produce the least conservative estimate of familiar faces.
Of the 75ish I have on hand here, I recognize about 22-24 names, one third. So if we can extrapolate wildly, you could say that for every person who came by the booth that I would recognize, another two came by the booth who I wouldn't recognize. That feels pretty good to me.
Feedback
At the bottom of the information on the back of the passport, it read:
"Did you enjoy your indie passport experience at GenCon? Have any comments, questions, or concerns? Let us know here!"
Here's what I got back.
"Yes"
"This was a lot of fun -- I don't usually do contests or scavenger hunts, but this let me visit places I might not have otherwise seen."
"REALLY good idea!"
"Awesome Idea!!!"
And that's it for the information I could gather.
Right up front, I'll state that I'm probably using a different criteria than most, but:
The Indie Passport was a success, plain and simple, because someone (didn't catch the name, sorry!) brought one to Games on Demand, I explained what GoD was, stamped their passport...
then they hung around, got sucked into a game, and had fun.
James
The passport was great as far as the IPR/Forge booth goes. I think it's value for increasing awareness of where all the indie stuff was located was invaluable. The booths were a bit spread out and it provided a great way to find them all.
The passport was a pretty awesome idea. I was watching how folks at a couple of different booths interacted with folks looking to get stamped. Most were using the opportunity to show off something and engage the attendee in conversation, even if it didn't result in a sale. This was great customer service and probably hooked more than a few new players.
Out in the general GenCon crowd I could see folks carrying the passport around showing it off like a cool new game. They were checking out the Hall Map trying to figure out where the booths were and what they wanted to check out next. I even saw one guy asking someone what "that passport thing" was, the response was awesome. They started explaining the booths and game available to check out and gave directions on where to get started.
There will always be folks who stop-by just to get a stamp and move on. Not much can be done about it, and "requiring" them to participate (i.e. play a demo) is not a good idea. You would get far more complaints in-person and online if such a policy were in place. This way the attendee gets to decide how involved they want to be.
Anyway, great job on the passport and I'm looking forward to seeing it evolve next year.
Regards,
Matt
Hi there,
In evaluating the passport, I think we should also consider the impact on other booths. The connection between, for instance, Games on Demand and the Forge booth is intuitive and clear - the step it might take to prompt a game at the former and a sale at the latter, in either order, is very small, just as James says. For new booths, like the Play Collective and the Ashcan Front, traffic and any method to provoke dialogue of any kind is a plus.
The question is whether it's any good for established companies with their own booths, like Burning/Dead or whoever else. These booths are more dedicated to sales to new customers, plain and simple. No one in Forgie culture has a copy of Poison'd, and everyone has a copy of Burning Wheel (or if not, knows where to get it on-line and doesn't need GenCon for that). It is possible that people arriving for a stamp is not well-suited to these booths' goals or isn't a good model for customers to see when at that booth.
But it's also possible that the foot-traffic and personal contact - depending on how friendly it is - will have a longer-term effect. I know myself that various positive interactions at the Forge booth (and the Sorcerer booth before it, in 2001) netted me sales, year after year, after the con, whether from a store or on-line. I know that associations of games with one another, for instance Sorcerer and The Riddle of Steel when it was Jake's, has benefited both tremendously in raw sales over time, even if a customer only bought one of them at the moment at GenCon.
Which of these possibilities, or something else, prevails as the reality in the case of the Indie Passport - I don't know, and I don't think anyone can know. I only saw the Forge end of it, and as I said in the other GenCon thread, from there, it looked heroic. But how a given publisher assesses it can only be their responsibility and ultimately cannot be stepped on.
My current thinking is, for this and similar activities, whether to participate should always be the choice of the individual booth. I'm pretty sure that notion applies already, but as time goes by, it's probably fair and right to stick by it.
Best, Ron
I'm slightly annoyed with myself for handing mine in - it was way cool! It got me to go visit Keith which I probably would not have done otherwise and was directly responsible for Paula purchasing a stuffie Hamster Press hamster.
I'm not sure I'd do it again, unless you had to demo or buy something for the stamps.
Quote from: GB Steve on August 23, 2007, 10:14:12 PM
I'm not sure I'd do it again, unless you had to demo or buy something for the stamps.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you'd prefer mandatory activities at each booth rather than activity-optional? Can you elaborate on the reasoning for that? I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm not feeling like I'm guessing at the motives correctly...
Mandatory activities would be the death knell of this thing. We were giving people stamps just for stopping by. We were giving people passports for just stopping by. Plenty of people hadn't heard of it and I was the first person to introduce them to it, and happy to do so.
Chotchkies for demos are a good thing, but the stamp shouldn't be that IMO.
Quote from: iago on August 23, 2007, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: GB Steve on August 23, 2007, 10:14:12 PM
I'm not sure I'd do it again, unless you had to demo or buy something for the stamps.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you'd prefer mandatory activities at each booth rather than activity-optional? Can you elaborate on the reasoning for that? I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm not feeling like I'm guessing at the motives correctly...
I think a more involved activity than just turning up would be good. It could even be arm-wrestling Ron or trash talking Luke but no just turning up to get the stamp. Involvement, that's what I would like to see.
I already know most of the Indie crowd, and their products so I guess the stamp thing isn't perhaps directed so much at me, but something a bit more off the wall might be.
There's a balance there, somewhere. I don't know the right place to strike it.
Rob is right that telling people "Okay, if you find these eleven locations then you've completed the quest" is a more attractive challenge than "If you complete fifteen minute activities at each of these eleven locations then you've completed the quest." I mean ... that's almost three hours added to the length of the activity, overall. I get that each individual booth thinks that their request is so small as to be negligible, but in aggregate they get pretty intimidating. People can do the math.
On the other hand ... yeah. These places are more than just walk-through destinations. We should be billing them as places that you want to spend some time in.
Now I'm thinking of one of those japanese tour-guides with the little flag to direct their masses. Could we organize guided tours of the booths, to go along with the passports? Would anyone want to?
Since I wasn't at GenCon, this is an uninformed opinion but from an outsider's view. The passport and quest idea sounds excellent; it's a game you incorporate into shopping. Did the passports and/or stamps have the websites for the various companies? This would make the artifact value of the passport a marketing value as well. Did each location or booth have some form a give-a-way that the passport holder could take back to their hotel room and: game, gaze over, admire, or something that would keep the game and company in mind? possibly levering a sale by the end of the con.
I think the value of the passports is going to be in months to come. The buy this flyers and junk are going to be thrown out after GenCon but the passports are going to be kept and admired/read for years to come.
For What It's Worth
Keith
FWIW, I had asked each participant to think about an activity they could have the carriers participate at their locations; not everyone did so. Regardless, the idea of some level of involvement beyond "here's your stamp" at each location was present. In my mind this wasn't mandatory demoing so much as mandatory conversations. So maybe next year -- especially if we have more participants -- it will be more about needing to ask questions at each booth and writing down the answers to the questions. Or something else -- but basically, an "easter egg" approach.
People coming up for stamps wound up in one of two situations, with me.
1) I asked them what I could help them with and got them talking about the games before I even knew there were there for a stamp (thus, mission accomplished).
2) They presented with a passport out or where they brought it up very early in the conversation. I said immediately that I'd be happy to stamp them and as I got it asked if they wanted to know about the booth. I cannot recall anyone saying no and only a couple of people making me feel like they were humoring me (and I think I have a pretty good bullshit detector). If anyone just wanted the stamp, and then to leave, I'd have happily accommodated them.
Or perhaps each booth gives them a question that they then get answered at a different booth.
Like, the Play Collective booth could stamp a question section with "In Stealing Away Jordan you play ..." and then direct folks across the way to the Forge booth in order to get the answer "Slaves."
I'd want more than just a single question, though, or else people are going to get REALLY sick of answering it. I expect the cost of different stamps would preclude too many questions that way, but maybe address-label type stickers would work just as well.
Quote from: TonyLB on August 29, 2007, 01:59:33 PMLike, the Play Collective booth could stamp a question section with "In Stealing Away Jordan you play ..." and then direct folks across the way to the Forge booth in order to get the answer "Slaves."
Hmm. When I went to the Hollow Earth booth, and a question was mentioned, I was REALLY concerned it was going to be trivia thing. So making you go to multiple booths to answer questions, especially when some of them might be remote, I think will be more likely to turn people off to it.
The most enjoyable part for me is going to booths I wouldn't have thought to go to. Notably, Engle-Matrix, Keith Senkowski, and 7th Circle. And it wasn't really anything they did (well, except maybe Chris's quick demo of one of his games at Matrix), and was mostly striking up conversations about their stuff. In Kieth's case I wouldn't have thought to enter the artist gallery, much less seek him out, even though I've loved his work in Conspiracy of Shadows and Hero's Banner (so much I bought a print). At 7th Circle I found out about a new space opera game they'll be publishing in a few months that's right up my alley.
There were a couple of booths I went to out of a sense of duty. If "work" had involved anymore than a stamp and a very quick tour or look at product as the requirement, I would have passed them by entirely.
Most of the rest, I had already visited before I came by for stamping.
This wasn't my introduction into Indie games, although it did open up my eyes to how many booths were involved. But as my first GenCon, it was a fantastic tourbook that prodded me to explore areas that were easy to pass on by in the crowded and overwhelming dealer's hall.
For the most part at the Ashcan Front I found the Passport to be a fun tool that helped me start a conversation with someone. Meaning, they needed to talk to someone at the booth to be able to get their stamp.
For the most part it was quite positive, there was only one guy who came by and refused to talk to me about the booth until I stamped his passport.
Quote from: thelostgm on August 29, 2007, 09:40:27 PM
For the most part at the Ashcan Front I found the Passport to be a fun tool that helped me start a conversation with someone. Meaning, they needed to talk to someone at the booth to be able to get their stamp.
For the most part it was quite positive, there was only one guy who came by and refused to talk to me about the booth until I stamped his passport.
I know who that guy was, and he is a terrible person who should be no one's metric of what behavior is or ought to be. He's an outlier in every sense.
From a con-goer perspective:
I know one guy who didn't take the passport because he didn't want to have to "jump through the hoops", as he put it. This isn't a problem; he's opting out.
Josh and I each took one. I did not and never intended to hand mine in. It's my souvenir. It was also my guide to 11 places to make sure to visit. This is the first year I made time to see the art show. All of the art show -- I plotted a path to make sure I'd see Keith only after I'd seen the rest of the show.
Only one booth made me do anything to get the passport stamped, for which I am quite grateful. It takes a lot of time to do the dealers' room, and there are crowds to navigate through. I was exhausted as it was (and brought home a dang cold that lingered for a week).
The one exception was the folks selling Hollow Earth. Their question was, "Which of these characters do you think would be the most fun to play?" I was okay with this, partly because it's relatively non-invasive -- I didn't have to play a demo or anything long -- but partly because they were the only ones making me do anything. They wouldn't take Josh's answer, which was, "All of them, I would hope." I think he went with the Atlantean scion. I went with the movie director.
I didn't play any demos in the dealers' room. This wasn't deliberate, but I'm just as glad. I got tired easily during the convention, and I often feel a bit guilty if I take up a demo spot. And, while I thought of this as a "light" convention, gamingwise, I only played one fewer game than I did at Origins, even if my total number of hours was less.
The Games on Demand area was interesting. I had a problem figuring out how to actually get into a game, which is odd, as I don't think I'm the shy and retiring type. Fortunately, someone asked to get into a game of PtA or DitV, and I said, "Me, too!" Tony ran a fun game, "at speed", as he put it -- and I discovered that I was allergic to the hallway where GoD was. Well, more particularly, to whatever dust was getting stirred up one floor down. This wasn't so bad inside the rooms, which meant that I was not hacking and coughing during Full Light, Full Steam. Then again, my character in PtA smoked, so it was an in character thing. Yeah.
Anyway, for me, the real purpose of the passport was to make sure I got to see as much cool stuff as possible.
My buying patters were interesting as well. Looking at three gaming cons from this year:
Origins: I spent money at the IPR booth (about 300?), and I spent money on used and heavily discounted games. If I paid full price, it was almost certainly indie. (Or a dvd at Cthulhu Corner.)
DexCon: I bought Scion: Hero at a discount, and I bought indie games. Oh, and I got a mask for GenCon, for the Last Night in Carcosa Larp. Great buy -- it was inexpensive and it was on a stick, which meant a) my glasses didn't get in the way and b) I didn't get hot underneath, like the folks who had the gorgeous over the head face masks.
GenCon: I bought almost everything new. One bargain at the auction store (1st ed Mummy), a couple at Chimera, and some last day sales, but other than that -- over 300 at the various booths on the passports. I also got Dark Metropolis and the deluxe edition of Fairy's Tale. And, of course, Changeling: The Lost. Oh, and Chaosium monographs, because this is the only place I can buy them in person and flip through them first.
Yep, the vast majority of my gaming con purchases are indie.
I don't care whether you guys do the stamp the passport thing again, but I do want a guide to the cool booths.
Next year, I am still planning to do Origins. I am not planning to do GenCon, as it conflicts with Mythcon 39, to which Josh and I have already committed -- but we do hope to be back the year after that. And, if there's going to be a lot of construction next year, well, it's not a bad year for me and my sinuses to miss. I am planning to do Dreamation. I am torn about DexCon -- my allergies were painful enough to cause people watching me pain.
I do not know what my budget will be next year. I am trying to buy fewer games that I do not have real reason to think are up my alley. I picked up, I think, 2 games that, on reflection, I probably should not have. OTOH, this year, I discovered the joys of shopping by proxy for friends who don't get to these conventions.
-Lisa
I liked the passport. I didn't like having to answer a question at the Hollow Earth Expedition booth, and I did do it just to humor them.
I actually referred to empty passports after I completed mine, because they were the easiest way for me to locate booths. I want to note one booth was very hard to find due to the placement it had, and even knowing its number it took me 10-15 mins to find it.
I am very sad in retrospect that I don't have my stamped passport as a souvenir.