1.) What is your game about?
Kaneon is a steampunkish (Spelljaming vessels, firearms, jelly showers) world, where for thousands of years was a magicalogical (failed magic experiments) dumping ground for a very magic/tech race called the Bloodrots who lived on the twin world of Pittorg. One of the Bloodrots slew a Eldar god, thier punishment was their race was wiped from the face of the universe save 7 who where faced to live on Kaneon. 6 accepted their fate and planned on living peacefully the rest of thier days, one choose not to and became a god and slew the others.. Nations rose and fell, gods have came and when. It has almost a dozen new races, all new gods, tons of new rules, new weapons, new armor, new classes
2.) What do the characters do?
With almost 25,000 years of history, its wide open
3.) What do the players (including the GM if there is one) do?
Since Kaneon uses heavily modifed d20 rules, pretty much if you know D&D and d20
4.) How does your setting (or lack thereof) reinforce what your game is about?
The setting is for those that wish to adventure in a steampunkish D&D world/universe
5.) How does the Character Creation of your game reinforce what your game is about?
Its not for the weak, so adventurers are usually powerfully, however the enemy is just as powerful.
6.) What types of behaviors/styles of play does your game reward (and punish if necessary)?
Role Playing, using the enivorment and your abilities to the best
7.) How are behaviors and styles of play rewarded or punished in your game?
The gods take a more active role in the lifes of mortals since their power (aleast for the lesser and greater gods) are directly in tune with thier worshippers
8.) How are the responsibilities of narration and credibility divided in your game?
Not sure how to answer that
9.) What does your game do to command the players' attention, engagement, and participation? (i.e. What does the game do to make them care?)
See answer #1 and #2
10.) What are the resolution mechanics of your game like?
Mostly stock D&D but with rules for the new items (ie guns are powerful but pricey, semi-rare and some nations have laws against them), magic and cleric spells are mana based
11.) How do the resolution mechanics reinforce what your game is about?
You tend to find out very quick if your not good your dead
12.) Do characters in your game advance? If so, how?
Level based advancment based on a set scale for how many Character Points you use during creation (ie a powerful character advances more slowly than a weaker one)
13.) How does the character advancement (or lack thereof) reinforce what your game is about?
See answer #12
14.) What sort of product or effect do you want your game to produce in or for the players?
To get back to the more basic D&D where it was all about the adventure, that your character is a full favored extension of yourself and not a cardboard cutout
15.) What areas of your game receive extra attention and color? Why?
The history and the land, because I want Kaneon to have the detail and favor of Tolkien and CS Lewis
16.) Which part of your game are you most excited about or interested in? Why?
Characters can rise to godhood, they can make a different, they can have a long epic adventure
17.) Where does your game take the players that other games can't, don't, or won't?
Players can go to other worlds, they can become gods, or become lengends
18.) What are your publishing goals for your game?
Not sure ATM, still debating the question do I want a hobby to become my job
19.) Who is your target audience?
All RPGer's
Hi Orion,
Re: your hobby becoming your job, I would love to make a living doing RPG design myself, but most of the info I've been given has led me to believe that the best case scenario in indie publishing is in the vicnity of "make 10k a year after 5+ years of having really successful product out there", and there are only a few guys writing game text for Wizards of the Coast etc. who make much more (someone at Mongoose gave me a guess that Monte Cook makes 30k). Anyway, feel free to inquire further in the Publishing forum. I'm no expert.
For this thread, let us know what kind of feedback you want on Kaneon! Any one of your 19 answers could spawn a long discussion, so tell us where you want to start!
Hi there!
Welcome to the Forge. I hope that you find this place really helpful for your game design. I have a few points and questions about your game. It's a good start, but as with any design, it could use some polishing and a tightening of the focus.
Quote2.) What do the characters do?
With almost 25,000 years of history, its wide open
Sometimes "wide open" can prove to be a barrier to play. When anything is possible, the players can feel at a loss as to what their goals and aspirations for their characters should be. It's kind of like telling a classroom full of high school kids to "write a paper" without giving them any guidelines or structure. They'll be lost and the quality of the work will vary a great deal. So let me ask, of all the things characters *could* do in your game, what are the five most interesting things
to you as the designer/player?
QuoteRe: your hobby becoming your job, I would love to make a living doing RPG design myself, but most of the info I've been given has led me to believe that the best case scenario in indie publishing is in the vicnity of "make 10k a year after 5+ years of having really successful product out there"
I want to echo David's sentiment here. It's easy to make a profit selling games. It's darn near impossible to make a living doing that. If you have a chance to talk to Fred Hicks (
iago here on the boards) about it, perhaps he can give you some pointers. Based on the experience I've had prublishing games, I would suggest having modest goals for your first publication. Treat it as a learning experience that you can apply later. If you exceed your modest goals, then great! That's awesome. But if you fail miserably to meet an extreemly high target for success, it could discourage you from ever taking up the design process again. And that's really all I have to say about that. It's not something that's really pertinent to your design. The publishing forum is really a better place to discuss the business end of RPG publication.
Peace,
-Troy
Quote from: David Berg on April 15, 2008, 05:49:20 PM
Hi Orion,
Re: your hobby becoming your job, I would love to make a living doing RPG design myself, but most of the info I've been given has led me to believe that the best case scenario in indie publishing is in the vicnity of "make 10k a year after 5+ years of having really successful product out there", and there are only a few guys writing game text for Wizards of the Coast etc. who make much more (someone at Mongoose gave me a guess that Monte Cook makes 30k). Anyway, feel free to inquire further in the Publishing forum. I'm no expert.
For this thread, let us know what kind of feedback you want on Kaneon! Any one of your 19 answers could spawn a long discussion, so tell us where you want to start!
David,
That I understand, the RPG market will not make me rich. And as I said I am not sure if I want my hobby to become my job, ie what is I grow to hate RPGing because its my job and not my escape? As far as feedback on Kaneon I am not looking specfic feedback pre say more just to see what interest it would generate.
Quote from: Troy_Costisick on April 16, 2008, 03:18:11 PM
Hi there!
Welcome to the Forge. I hope that you find this place really helpful for your game design. I have a few points and questions about your game. It's a good start, but as with any design, it could use some polishing and a tightening of the focus.
Quote2.) What do the characters do?
With almost 25,000 years of history, its wide open
Sometimes "wide open" can prove to be a barrier to play. When anything is possible, the players can feel at a loss as to what their goals and aspirations for their characters should be. It's kind of like telling a classroom full of high school kids to "write a paper" without giving them any guidelines or structure. They'll be lost and the quality of the work will vary a great deal. So let me ask, of all the things characters *could* do in your game, what are the five most interesting things to you as the designer/player?
QuoteRe: your hobby becoming your job, I would love to make a living doing RPG design myself, but most of the info I've been given has led me to believe that the best case scenario in indie publishing is in the vicnity of "make 10k a year after 5+ years of having really successful product out there"
I want to echo David's sentiment here. It's easy to make a profit selling games. It's darn near impossible to make a living doing that. If you have a chance to talk to Fred Hicks (iago here on the boards) about it, perhaps he can give you some pointers. Based on the experience I've had prublishing games, I would suggest having modest goals for your first publication. Treat it as a learning experience that you can apply later. If you exceed your modest goals, then great! That's awesome. But if you fail miserably to meet an extreemly high target for success, it could discourage you from ever taking up the design process again. And that's really all I have to say about that. It's not something that's really pertinent to your design. The publishing forum is really a better place to discuss the business end of RPG publication.
Peace,
-Troy
Got a point, there is so much history. But I partially disagree because WOTC gaming worlds have long histories as well and when I say it spans 25,000 years they are many of those years nothing of major important happened. Such as the the 2,000 years of expansion of the Bloodrots, they where no major wars or earthshattering inventions. Case in point, when the shuttle first lanched it was a earth shattering event, people from around the world took notice. However does anyone really watch the shuttle lanches these days.
As for publishing, if I decide to have a real go at it. I have some lesser designs that I plan on publishing and giving away for free or for a modest cost (50 cent PDF's) then publish my more complex designs (not to mention Kaneon is dual use in the fact that I am also a asprining novelist and am in the process of writing novels based in Kaneon).
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 18, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
As far as feedback on Kaneon I am not looking specfic feedback pre say more just to see what interest it would generate.
Just FYI, ideas posted here on the Forge tend to get more interested responses when they include some sort of "here's what I want help with".
After providing that caution, I feel I should try to be more encouraging, so here, I'll say what interests me most about your write-up:
The combination of
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 10, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
7.) How are behaviors and styles of play rewarded or punished in your game?
The gods take a more active role in the lifes of mortals since their power (aleast for the lesser and greater gods) are directly in tune with thier worshippers
with
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 10, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
16.) Which part of your game are you most excited about or interested in? Why?
Characters can rise to godhood
I like games that include both
a) some interesting, colorful, multi-faceted pantheons and metaphysics, and
b) some ways for players to enmesh themselves in those.
Quote from: David Berg on April 18, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 18, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
As far as feedback on Kaneon I am not looking specfic feedback pre say more just to see what interest it would generate.
Just FYI, ideas posted here on the Forge tend to get more interested responses when they include some sort of "here's what I want help with".
Understood, then I post the question do you think people with go for a structured XP system ie in Kaneon stats are rolled as usual D&D and then your race/class and advatnages and disvantages (such as natural ability which rasies one stat to 20, wealthy which starts you off which triple gold etc.. etc.) these are a character point cost and only can be purchased at character creation. Then depending on the Character Point cost is your XP structure ie
0 - 100 CP - 5000 XP (ie you have to earn 5000XP time level to advatnage to the next level ie 5th level would cost 25,000 to advance to)
101 - 200 CP - 10,000 XP
201 - 300 CP - 15.000XP
301 plus CP - 20,000XP
Which I have changed the monster XP to its HD * 1000XP * a diffculty factor of 1 - 10 obivious a 5HD demon is going to be harder to slay than a 5HD orc
Quote from: David Berg on April 18, 2008, 05:34:42 PM
After providing that caution, I feel I should try to be more encouraging, so here, I'll say what interests me most about your write-up:
The combination of
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 10, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
7.) How are behaviors and styles of play rewarded or punished in your game?
The gods take a more active role in the lifes of mortals since their power (aleast for the lesser and greater gods) are directly in tune with thier worshippers
with
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 10, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
16.) Which part of your game are you most excited about or interested in? Why?
Characters can rise to godhood
I like games that include both
a) some interesting, colorful, multi-faceted pantheons and metaphysics, and
b) some ways for players to enmesh themselves in those.
I always like the concept of gods being more hands on in the affairs of mortals not to mention gods can die or be replaced by worth mortals ,but not in the sense that Bob the Fighter becomes Bob the god of warriors.. Bob would replace (thur combat or other means) the current Relvar which happens to be the god of war and adventure in Kaneon
Re: your character point and XP scheme, I'm still not sure what you want help with. If you tell me what you hope it'll accomplish, and you want to know whether people here think it
will accomplish that, then I could weigh in on that... although I don't know how much that'd really be useful to you.
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 20, 2008, 01:10:30 PMBob would replace (thur combat or other means) the current Relvar which happens to be the god of war and adventure in Kaneon
As a player thinking of playing Kaneon, one of my first questions might be:
Am I guaranteed to become a god? Or am I at least guaranteed the
opportunity to become a god? Like, I can win godhood by playing well? If I do get to become a god, how long will I ahve to play the game to get there?
Quote from: David Berg on April 21, 2008, 03:59:42 PM
Re: your character point and XP scheme, I'm still not sure what you want help with. If you tell me what you hope it'll accomplish, and you want to know whether people here think it will accomplish that, then I could weigh in on that... although I don't know how much that'd really be useful to you.
Quote from: oriondarkwood on April 20, 2008, 01:10:30 PMBob would replace (thur combat or other means) the current Relvar which happens to be the god of war and adventure in Kaneon
As a player thinking of playing Kaneon, one of my first questions might be:
Am I guaranteed to become a god? Or am I at least guaranteed the opportunity to become a god? Like, I can win godhood by playing well? If I do get to become a god, how long will I ahve to play the game to get there?
David,
To answer your questions
In Kaneon, the path to godhood is a long and torturous road, even the bravest of mortals have been passed over for godhood. Some have taken it, others have became gods because of need. A case study
Curin Grimhammer, patron god of dwarves. Started as a mere mortal, during his adventuring career he saw the drawven clans loosing thier way, allowing outsiders more and more access to the drawven secrets. To this end he became the lord of the clans and tried to make them change thier ways. Ethos the Scorekeeper (a eldar god, short and dirty is the gods where born from one entity and existence is a game for them to be played, at the end the prize is nothing more than bragging rights in the cold seconds before the universe returns to the one entity and is reborn) saw a chance to balance some of the scores and altered fate slightly so that Curin would to return to the Abyss once again to battle the 3 demon masters and the ones that started the war between the Balor and the Tanarti with the help of his faithful allies he defeated the 3 demon masters. However the gate between the planes was closing and it was decided that one needed to stay behind and physically hold the gate open. Curin chose that honor.
He was taken prisoner by the Balor, that night a dwaven seer had a vision, the vision of what Curin would become and what his return would mean for the dwarves. Shortly thereafter he formed the Cult of the Hammer and told the prophecy that a pure dwarf born of the blood of Curin on the first stroke of the new year could quest for Curin's weapon that was lost in the void between the planes. In the meantime Curin was tortured and ripped apart only to become whole again every night. This combined with the powers of the Abyss he became a demi-god. After the Quest Child freed him, he took revenge on all drawves that did not keep themselves pure in his eyes (ie shaved thier beards, consorted with outsiders, etc.. etc..). During this time the other gods set up tests for him to enter into the realms of a true god. Which after many trials he did..
However the story did not end on a happy note Archon the Lord of Chaos, seeking revenge for things Curin did to Archon's Fortress in his mortal life (basically Curin destoryed his flag ship and killed his top general in the 2nd war of the Dark One) killed him and sent his body to Side8 (a prison outside time and space for Sacleft aka the Sewed god, for she along knows how to destory creation once and for all)
Was Curin a player character? If so, how long did this saga take in play sessions? (I am trying to figure out what Kaneon offers beyond any D&D game, and this is the first thing that occurs to me. In D&D3, you'd have to tweak the XP awards like crazy to pull this off in less than multiple years. I think.)
Quote from: David Berg on April 23, 2008, 02:28:40 PM
Was Curin a player character? If so, how long did this saga take in play sessions? (I am trying to figure out what Kaneon offers beyond any D&D game, and this is the first thing that occurs to me. In D&D3, you'd have to tweak the XP awards like crazy to pull this off in less than multiple years. I think.)
Yes, it took place over almost 2 years of gaming almost every Sat 11am - 10ish pm and some solo questing.
The techinal details behind it was he was close to 20th level when he got imprisoned in the Abyss and turned into Demi-God from there your abilty and power is more from worship and your rank as a god. In Kaneon the ranks of godhood are
Demi-God - the power to sink a contient
Lesser-God the power to destory a planet
Greater God the power of to destory a solar system
Eldar God - the power to destory a plane of existance
In Kaneon most gods are not truely immortal they can be killed, althought to destory to take over thier sphere of influnce is another matter altogether. The only truly immortal gods of Kaneon are:
The Giver - the one enity that from which creation is de-evolved into
Ethos, the Scorekeeper. - he exists outside of time and space to watch the great game
Saroleth - The goddess of one word - Created for the sole purpose of being the end of creation forever
Thane - the soul raker, ie death, He was born before the Giver and shall die as the last heartbeat of the Giver finishes..
As far as what sets Kaneon apart from other D&D worlds:
- Steampunk
- Ability to travel thurout the galaxy
- Different race and classes along with weapons, feats and stuff
- Storyline and History
I didn't say that quite right. Rather than "how was Kaneon as you have already played it different from other games", what I'm trying to get at is "what can you offer to players with Kaneon?"
Like, let's say I want to play D&D, and I want to use steampunk flavor, and I want to travel galaxies, and I want to play races and classes that I haven't played in my previous D&D games. Well, I can do all that myself. So I'll only bother with Kaneon products if they help me do that in some significant way. What ways do you intend to provide such help?
Or, let's say I want to play D&D, but I want inspiration to try something new. What inspires me? Cool ideas, good stories, distinct visual style, great art, quality writing. Kaneon would have to do very well on some of those fronts to hook my interest. What ways do you intend to provide inspiration?
Hope this is helpful. If you'd prefer to steer this thread in a different direction, just say so.
Ps,
-David
P.S. I wouldn't include something that takes 2 years of 11 hrs/wk to achieve as a hook for prospective players. I'd either keep "players as demi-gods" as a clearly secondary feature, or I'd make it a big hook and start everyone at 19th level.
Quote from: David Berg on April 28, 2008, 04:46:32 PM
I didn't say that quite right. Rather than "how was Kaneon as you have already played it different from other games", what I'm trying to get at is "what can you offer to players with Kaneon?"
Like, let's say I want to play D&D, and I want to use steampunk flavor, and I want to travel galaxies, and I want to play races and classes that I haven't played in my previous D&D games. Well, I can do all that myself. So I'll only bother with Kaneon products if they help me do that in some significant way. What ways do you intend to provide such help?
Or, let's say I want to play D&D, but I want inspiration to try something new. What inspires me? Cool ideas, good stories, distinct visual style, great art, quality writing. Kaneon would have to do very well on some of those fronts to hook my interest. What ways do you intend to provide inspiration?
Hope this is helpful. If you'd prefer to steer this thread in a different direction, just say so.
Ps,
-David
P.S. I wouldn't include something that takes 2 years of 11 hrs/wk to achieve as a hook for prospective players. I'd either keep "players as demi-gods" as a clearly secondary feature, or I'd make it a big hook and start everyone at 19th level.
Hmm I see your point, the best way I can answer your question is yes you could create a steampunkish world similar to Kaneon but the main hook for Kaneon is not just adventure in a world that is steampunkish with D&D rules, but to adventure in a living breathing world, where you know that your typical Dergian (human subrace) would sneer at the thought of riding horseback. Or the mental picture thrill of going into the temple of Scallia (goddess of torture, snakes and cold blood) on Deathknell island, knowing the head priest is the latest in a lineage of Deathknells that goes back thousands of years.. of seeing fresh blood coating a altar that has the blood of thousands of loyal priests on it.. Or journeying to the far reaches of space and encountering creatures that would rip thur a heavily armored epic level fighter in mere rounds.. of feeling the power of wielding a dragonslayer rifle but also knowing that a single shell costs 10,000gp..
Cool! To me, that sounds like a quality d20 sourcebook. Lots of info about the world and inspirational fiction, with a lot of specific applications of d20 rules (e.g. character classes) tailored to the setting, plus maybe a few new mechanics to integrate with d20 rules.
I recommend browsing through your game store's d20 worldbooks and seeing which are the most appealing to you in terms of content. This would probably help you decide what any published (or, y'know, "offered to others" in some form) version of Kaneon ought to include.
If you want to see a distinctive d20 game that takes general D&D play into a very specific new place, I recommend Slaine. (I should admit that I haven't played it. I just read it and was impressed.)
How large an area of the universe are you going to write up? Is the scope of your project a nation, or a continent, or a planet, or many planets that the PCs might travel to and fro from on a regular basis?
Do you have a list of your races? Are they all from the same planet?
Oh, also, how do the steam punk elements make an adventurer's life different than what it might normally be in a fantasy game? Does anyone still use swords and heavy armor, or are they all armed with rifles? Can you cross a continent in a couple of days by hopping on a train?
Quote from: David Berg on May 08, 2008, 05:35:26 PM
Cool! To me, that sounds like a quality d20 sourcebook. Lots of info about the world and inspirational fiction, with a lot of specific applications of d20 rules (e.g. character classes) tailored to the setting, plus maybe a few new mechanics to integrate with d20 rules.
I recommend browsing through your game store's d20 worldbooks and seeing which are the most appealing to you in terms of content. This would probably help you decide what any published (or, y'know, "offered to others" in some form) version of Kaneon ought to include.
If you want to see a distinctive d20 game that takes general D&D play into a very specific new place, I recommend Slaine. (I should admit that I haven't played it. I just read it and was impressed.)
Hmm I have to check it out. As for Kaneon, I been working on and off for the last 13 years and right now I say Kaneon is about 45% done and that is mainly the detail that I am putting in it.. althought I am starting to really consider putting less detail in the main sourcebooks and detailing it later as market forces dicate.
Quote from: Greg 1 on May 09, 2008, 10:23:19 PM
How large an area of the universe are you going to write up? Is the scope of your project a nation, or a continent, or a planet, or many planets that the PCs might travel to and fro from on a regular basis?
Do you have a list of your races? Are they all from the same planet?
To answer your questions
1. How large? The known universe, since spell jamming vessels do exist on Kaneon and other worlds, the known universe is open.. however most of the sourcebooks are for Kaneon.
Just a quick note, space travel is by spacial teleport (ST) , where a teleport bubble is generated over a period of time based on distance (ST are based on x,y and z ), once the bubble is complete the ship is instantly teleported. Of coruse this process can be speed up with a chance for mis-jumping which is anything from ending up at the wrong location to teleporting to another plane of existance.
2. List of Races
I will post a complete list on my wiki page soon, but here is a partial list
Graven - sentient mecha-magical machines from the age of Bloodrots
Jungle Drawves - drawves that have given up thier underground ways and live mostly in the jungles as "fixers" and guides
Felin - cat/human hybirds
Winged Elves - self explainatory
Grassgul - human/praying mantis hybirds
Qurka - rock men
Renalesar - pacaderm/human race of space faring bounty hunters
3. All the races on Kaneon
No, however the races on other planets I am leaving vague so DM's can create other planets to thier liking..
Quote from: Greg 1 on May 10, 2008, 08:50:12 AM
Oh, also, how do the steam punk elements make an adventurer's life different than what it might normally be in a fantasy game? Does anyone still use swords and heavy armor, or are they all armed with rifles? Can you cross a continent in a couple of days by hopping on a train?
Hmm well everything from the mundane ie a typical day in Derg (the highest tech nation in Kaneon and also the only nation to have a spaceport) a average day could see a character waking up taking a jelly shower (tech/magic device that forces dirty water thur a gelatinous cube and then it rains down on the character, the water is headed by powered kstyals), checking the local citybrain (a tech magic hyper sentient organic computer that is in some of the larger more technological advanced cities) for the time of the tenzor races (air races by steam powered craft that go in excess of 300MPH thanks to a magical coat of oil that reduces friction) and to see if thier spell jamming craft is repaired. Then check thier postbag for mail (custom bag of holding for mail, imagine a portable post office).
However keep in a mind that not all of Kaneon is steampunk, thier are nations that are very stock D&D, even on the borders of the more techonical nations its pretty stock D&D. Also add to the fact that the tech nations all signed and agreed to a treaty that basically treats the non-technological nations and some areas within the tech nations as for lack of better word wildlife game preserves (ie no tech or very limited tech).
To answer your gun question, Not everyone since guns are unstable (mis-fires on a 1 or 2), and are pricey (a stock brass pistol 1d6 damage, 3 shots a round) will set you back 200GP and bullets are 20GP a round. Lastly stock bullets are considered normal missiles. And bullets can only be enchanted to +2 (note, their is a Gunslinger class which allows for the character to hit magical creatures with normal bullets and to ignore the usual protections from normal missles).
To answer your last question, yes thier are rail engines (steam powered lev trains), dragonfliers (aircraft that looks like dragons) and airships (think Final Fantasy)
Quote from: oriondarkwood on May 11, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
Hmm well everything from the mundane ie a typical day in Derg (the highest tech nation in Kaneon and also the only nation to have a spaceport) a average day could see a character waking up taking a jelly shower (tech/magic device that forces dirty water thur a gelatinous cube and then it rains down on the character, the water is headed by powered kstyals), checking the local citybrain (a tech magic hyper sentient organic computer that is in some of the larger more technological advanced cities) for the time of the tenzor races (air races by steam powered craft that go in excess of 300MPH thanks to a magical coat of oil that reduces friction) and to see if thier spell jamming craft is repaired. Then check thier postbag for mail (custom bag of holding for mail, imagine a portable post office).
Interesting! I am no expert on D20, but I don't recall seeing something like this for it. If I were you, I would focus on presenting Derg and the other high-tech cities. For areas that are more "stock" D&D, you are competing for attention with every other "stock" D&D setting. Even if your "stock" stuff is better, people won't know that unless they read it in the first place. Derg, on the other hand, has a "hook" that might get people reading.
Quote from: Greg 1 on May 11, 2008, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: oriondarkwood on May 11, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
Hmm well everything from the mundane ie a typical day in Derg (the highest tech nation in Kaneon and also the only nation to have a spaceport) a average day could see a character waking up taking a jelly shower (tech/magic device that forces dirty water thur a gelatinous cube and then it rains down on the character, the water is headed by powered kstyals), checking the local citybrain (a tech magic hyper sentient organic computer that is in some of the larger more technological advanced cities) for the time of the tenzor races (air races by steam powered craft that go in excess of 300MPH thanks to a magical coat of oil that reduces friction) and to see if thier spell jamming craft is repaired. Then check thier postbag for mail (custom bag of holding for mail, imagine a portable post office).
Interesting! I am no expert on D20, but I don't recall seeing something like this for it. If I were you, I would focus on presenting Derg and the other high-tech cities. For areas that are more "stock" D&D, you are competing for attention with every other "stock" D&D setting. Even if your "stock" stuff is better, people won't know that unless they read it in the first place. Derg, on the other hand, has a "hook" that might get people reading.
I see your point, kinda like Forgotten Realms where they have a core book and then kingdom books like Mazaitan, Waterdeep, Dales etc.. etc.. Is that what you are getting at?
For the record here are the kingdoms of Kaneon
Derg - Already talked about, arrogant to outsiders
Torg - Very miltaristic kingdom, the least techonlogical of the tech kingdoms
Talon - techongical kingdom, prefers to resolve issues via diplomacy
Kitha - great plains land, the people are mainly a normadic people
Sila - strong theocratic kingdom, ruthless merchants and assassins
Norda - strong proud people of the frozen wasterlands
Legbeth - Island chain of people very linked to nature, also know for the Kraken rift where kraken come to spawn
Kaganmoor - Island chain famous for being a dragon breeding ground, its people are very mutated due to the high magicotive levels
What about starting with a writeup focussing on Derg (and Talon, if the technological kingdoms are neighbors) with just basic information about the other nations. Then, as followups, you could write up the other nations. Derg has an immediate hook in the steampunk element. That hook sets is aside immediately from other settings (that I know of). If people like it, then the hooks for later writeups would be that they occur in the familiar world-of-Derg.
Quote from: Greg 1 on May 12, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
What about starting with a writeup focussing on Derg (and Talon, if the technological kingdoms are neighbors) with just basic information about the other nations. Then, as followups, you could write up the other nations. Derg has an immediate hook in the steampunk element. That hook sets is aside immediately from other settings (that I know of). If people like it, then the hooks for later writeups would be that they occur in the familiar world-of-Derg.
I will get a map up on my wiki the next couple of days, but Talon and Torg are close together (think Talon as the US and Torg as Canada) with Derg being roughly 6,000 miles to the northwest of west coast of Talon. So my layout should be
Kaneon Sourcebook
Kingdom of Derg sourcebook
Kingdom of Talon sourcebook
Kingdom of Torg sourcebook
etc.. etc..
And in the kingdom sourcebook have something like
History of kingdom
Geography of kingdom (more details than in the sourcebook)
Politics
Groups
Talents (think feats)