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Title: A forum party game
Post by: Clinton R. Nixon on April 03, 2003, 10:28:19 AM
Kester Pelagious was nice enough to send this to me earlier this week. Play at will.

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Forum Trolls: The Happening!

C. Demetrius Morgan


This is your chance to be a irregular Forum Troll!  Yes, that's right, this
is the birthday game to end all birthday games, the bestest of the bestest,
the most fun you can have without spending a lot of those hard fought and
won gold coins that grow like mushrooms out of floors in dungeons
everywhere.

To begin have the players sit in front of their computers.  They will need
to log into the Internet, however they choose to, and then proceed to The
Forge @ http://www.indie-rpgs.com/.  The game lasts a limited time and takes
places in the Birthday forum only!

So, how does one play?

Simple.  Like good Trolls everywhere know the games starts with a non
sequiter, which the next Troll playing the games picks up.  Every non
sequiter must contain the phrase 'The Forge' and in some way be related to
the previous phrase.

For instance:

Troll A:  "The Forge is a great source of information"

Troll B:  "An information abyss, that's what The Forge is."

Troll C:  "Speaking of an Abyss, did you know that The Forge was the first
place to yadayadayada"

So simple!  So easy!  So much fun!

Just remember the rulesP: Be civil to one another and no wonton bashing.  Unless it involves evildoers.  ;)
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Ron Edwards on April 03, 2003, 11:10:30 AM
Hi there,

I'll be Troll A!

This conversation at the Forge offended me!

Best,
Ron

P.S. This game is restricted to this thread only.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Matt Wilson on April 03, 2003, 11:22:24 AM
QuoteThis conversation at the Forge offended me!

There are no conversations at the Forge. It's moderated.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Matt Snyder on April 03, 2003, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Wilson
QuoteThis conversation at the Forge offended me!

There are no conversations at the Forge. It's moderated.

There's nothing moderate at the Forge. Damn radical thinking.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Clinton R. Nixon on April 03, 2003, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: Matt SnyderThere's nothing moderate at the Forge. Damn radical thinking.

The Forge radical? Only if you mean intellectual wanking instead of solid tactical thought.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Mystery User #1 on April 03, 2003, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Matt Snyder
Quote from: Matt Wilson
QuoteThis conversation at the Forge offended me!

There are no conversations at the Forge. It's moderated.

There's nothing moderate at the Forge. Damn radical thinking.

Did you hear about those radicals over at The Forge?  I hear they got a think tank going to try to explain why nothing works in moderation!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 11:31:20 AM
Quote from: RonThis conversation at the Forge offended me!

The Forge moderators are all cheaters!

(That was two in one post, Ron! Sheesh!)
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 11:34:03 AM
QuoteThere's nothing moderate at the Forge. Damn radical thinking.

Speaking of radicals, I'm thinking of a really really cool and realistic mechanism for determining attack damage. The thing is, it requires players to calculate fractional roots of percentile die rolls. Would this be a problem?

- Walt
Title: A forum party game
Post by: ethan_greer on April 03, 2003, 11:35:32 AM
I thought the Forge was above all this sort of childish drivel.  I am so disappointed...
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: wfreitag
Speaking of radicals, I'm thinking of a really really cool and realistic mechanism for determining attack damage. The thing is, it requires players to calculate fractional roots of percentile die rolls. Would this be a problem?

This isn't an appropriate topic for the Forge! All the members are a bunch of bleeding-heart Narrativists!
Title: remember the rule (highlighted in blue)
Post by: Kester Pelagius on April 03, 2003, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Paganini
Quote from: RonThis conversation at the Forge offended me!

The Forge moderators are all cheaters!

(That was two in one post, Ron! Sheesh!)

Are The Forge moderators turning a blind eye toward rules and regulations of society in a effort to promote a libertine ideal?  After all it is well known that everyone at The Forge are radical free thinkers who think of life as a two in one pit stop full of cryptic remarks!  Of course they may claim to be free thinkers at The Forge but are they, really, or is it just another brand of rightwing marxist propoganda designed to get us all to play indie role-playing games?

edit: Why did you name this place The Forge anyway?
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: Kester Pelagius
Are The Forge moderators turning a blind eye toward rules and regulations of society in a effort to promote a libertine ideal?  After all it is well known that everyone at The Forge are radical free thinkers who think of life as a two in one pit stop full of cryptic remarks!  Of course they may claim to be free thinkers at The Forge but are they, really, or is it just another brand of rightwing marxist propoganda designed to get us all to play indie role-playing games?

That's a dirty lie! There's no jargon at the Forge!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 11:43:16 AM
QuoteThis isn't an appropriate topic for the Forge! All the members are a bunch of bleeding-heart Narrativists!

Y'know, I don't really get the whole Narrativism thing. What the Forge is it all about?

- Walt

[edited, in scurrilous fashion, to turn the following post into a demonstrable lie.]
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: wfreitag
Y'know, I don't really get the whole Narrativism thing. What's it all about?

You didn't say the Forge! You're deliberately trying to ruin our fun! Are you some kind of communist?!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Kester Pelagius on April 03, 2003, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: Paganini
Quote from: Kester Pelagius
Are The Forge moderators turning a blind eye toward rules and regulations of society in a effort to promote a libertine ideal?  After all it is well known that everyone at The Forge are radical free thinkers who think of life as a two in one pit stop full of cryptic remarks!  Of course they may claim to be free thinkers at The Forge but are they, really, or is it just another brand of rightwing marxist propoganda designed to get us all to play indie role-playing games?

That's a dirty lie! There's no jargon at the Forge!

Jargon is the bread of fools and lies the butter of day old toast!  Of course like Hephaestus wielding his hammer upon The Forge there are those who will believe in The Forge and those who will not.  The Forge is a hot bed of seductive reasoning for those who choose to think about whether they want to believe or disbelieve and therefore The Forge fosters radical designs in narrativism.  Would you not agree?
Title: A forum party game
Post by: C. Edwards on April 03, 2003, 11:51:10 AM
Paganini wrote:
QuoteThat's a dirty lie! There's no jargon at the Forge!

Are you blind?!

jargon: Speech or writing having unusual or pretentious vocabulary, convoluted phrasing, and vague meaning.

The Forge is nothing but big fat piles of jargon.


p.s.  my hat of The Forge know no limit!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Fabrice G. on April 03, 2003, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: wfreitag
Y'know, I don't really get the whole Narrativism thing. What's it all about?

Then you know, you're not good to The Forge !!!!!! Nor are you welcome here !!!!!! The forge is a place for elite, not the crass ingnorant mass !!!!!!!!!!!


Fabrice.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: Kester Pelagius
Jargon is the bread of fools and lies the butter of day old toast!  Of course like Hephaestus wielding his hammer upon The Forge there are those who will believe in The Forge and those who will not.  The Forge is a hot bed of seductive reasoning for those who choose to think about whether they want to believe or disbelieve and therefore The Forge fosters radical designs in narrativism.  Would you not agree?

Of course not! No one at the Forge believes in the greek myths!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Lazy Smurf on April 03, 2003, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: C. EdwardsPaganini wrote:
QuoteThat's a dirty lie! There's no jargon at the Forge!

Are you blind?!

jargon: Speech or writing having unusual or pretentious vocabulary, convoluted phrasing, and vague meaning.

The Forge is nothing but big fat piles of jargon.


Eeep!  Thanks for pointing that out.  As a visitor to The Forge I might have stepped in one of those piles.  And, being three apples high, that wouldn't be pretty!

By the way those are some curtains you have here at The Forge!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: C. Edwards
The Forge is nothing but big fat piles of jargon.

Why would we believe anything you say on the Forge? Everyone knows that you always play female characters!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: ethan_greer on April 03, 2003, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: Lazy SmurfBy the way those are some curtains you have here at The Forge!
You have a lot of gall to bring up curtains.  I think you should know that this behavior is not encouraged at the Forge.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Matt Wilson on April 03, 2003, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: ethan_greer
You have a lot of gall to bring up curtains.  I think you should know that this behavior is not encouraged at the Forge.

Didn't someone on the Forge design a game where gall is a trait?
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2003, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Wilson
Quote from: ethan_greer
You have a lot of gall to bring up curtains.  I think you should know that this behavior is not encouraged at the Forge.

Didn't someone on the Forge design a game where gall is a trait?

Nah, the stat was "gall's" in a western bordello game. So when's the next story teller heartbreaker (this weeks new word) coming out of the forge?
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Kester Pelagius on April 03, 2003, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: Paganini
Quote from: Kester Pelagius
Jargon is the bread of fools and lies the butter of day old toast!  Of course like Hephaestus wielding his hammer upon The Forge there are those who will believe in The Forge and those who will not.  The Forge is a hot bed of seductive reasoning for those who choose to think about whether they want to believe or disbelieve and therefore The Forge fosters radical designs in narrativism.  Would you not agree?

Of course not! No one at the Forge believes in the greek myths!

"Wha-  No one at The Forge. . ."

Kester stares at the bottom of his glass as he inches his way towards the barmaid, er, bar. ;)

"Oh, well, in that case I think I shall have some cake.  The Forge does know how to throw itself a party, doesn't it?"
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Lugaru on April 03, 2003, 12:19:06 PM
(Sorry if I made my post as a guest... but that's the true spirit of trolling)
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Jonathan Walton on April 03, 2003, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: AnonymousSo when's the next story teller heartbreaker (this weeks new word) coming out of the forge?

Ah, so the Forge is finally coming out, as the beacon of hope for the future of roleplaying!  No more keeping our light under a buschel!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Humbled unTroll on April 03, 2003, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: Lugaru(Sorry if I made my post as a guest... but that's the true spirit of trolling)

Actually logging into The Forge to post an off-topic remark that doesn't even mention The Forge, now THAT is true trolling!

My hat is tipped to you sir!   :)  :)  :)

(Hey, can we turn smileys on for this sub?)
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: Humbled unTroll
Actually logging into The Forge to post an off-topic remark that doesn't even mention The Forge, now THAT is true trolling!

If you are interested in True Trolling, you should check out my game TrollWorld (http://indie-rpgs.com/). It is innovative and great! Like nothing else, ever. You see, you get to play a Troll. He can be a Fighter, Wizard, Assassin, or Shaman. Shamans and Wizards can use giant two-handed troll swords! It rocks!

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: Jonathan Walton
Quote from: AnonymousSo when's the next story teller heartbreaker (this weeks new word) coming out of the forge?

Ah, so the Forge is finally coming out, as the beacon of hope for the future of roleplaying!  No more keeping our light under a buschel!

Right! We'll show those [censored] at RPG.NET what the Forge is really all about!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: szilard
If you are interested in True Trolling, you should check out my game TrollWorld (//). It is innovative and great! Like nothing else, ever. You see, you get to play a Troll. He can be a Fighter, Wizard, Assassin, or Shaman. Shamans and Wizards can use giant two-handed troll swords! It rocks!

You obviously haven't read Raven's posts to the Forge. His game orcs is just like yours, only he spells his trolls O - R - X instead of T - R - O - L - L - S.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: Paganini
"Any game where you have separate HP for your spleen is pretty complicated." - Mike Holmes

In my game, I have hit points for the gall bladder, but not the spleen. Is that okay?

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Jonathan Walton on April 03, 2003, 12:35:37 PM
Quote from: PaganiniRight! We'll show those [censored] at RPG.NET what the Forge is really all about!

Well, Pag, I was going to post you a response on the Forge, but Ron Edwards censored it!  Damn his authoritarian control!  If I wanted that, I'd go to China!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Paganini on April 03, 2003, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: szilard
In my game, I have hit points for the gall bladder, but not the spleen. Is that okay?

Not unless you also have hit points for the Forge.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Paganini
Not unless you also have hit points for the Forge.

In my game last night, the party killed Hephaestus and destroyed the Forge. This web site should shut down now, or else it will be unofficial with respect to my campaign world.

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Valamir on April 03, 2003, 12:41:57 PM
...somewhere along the line the rules of this game seem to have been forgotten...

Oh well, its still amusing.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: Valamir...somewhere along the line the rules of this game seem to have been forgotten...

Oh well, its still amusing.

The rules didn't support my Narrativist goals for play, so I ignored them.

I thought everyone at the Forge plays freeform, anyway.

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2003, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: szilard
Quote from: Valamir...somewhere along the line the rules of this game seem to have been forgotten...

Oh well, its still amusing.

The rules didn't support my Narrativist goals for play, so I ignored them.

I thought everyone at the Forge plays freeform, anyway.

Stuart

Freeform?

Is that why the tentacle beast kept having its way with me even if I rolled perfect 20's? Your a bastard story teller... you know that?
Title: whatever
Post by: xiombarg on April 03, 2003, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: szilardI thought everyone at the Forge plays freeform, anyway.
Everyone at the Forge knows that freeform play is just for people who are afraid to state their social contract. Real members of The Forge are dedicated Gamists in the HackMaster tradition.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: xiombarg on April 03, 2003, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: AnonymousFreeform?

Is that why the tentacle beast kept having its way with me even if I rolled perfect 20's? Your a bastard story teller... you know that?
Hey! Criss-cross posting isn't allowed at the Forge! I demand this thread be split!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 12:57:08 PM
Quote from: xiombarg
Quote from: AnonymousFreeform?

Is that why the tentacle beast kept having its way with me even if I rolled perfect 20's? Your a bastard story teller... you know that?
Hey! Criss-cross posting isn't allowed at the Forge! I demand this thread be split!

I demand that the moderators of the Forge lift the ban preventing Kriss-Kross from posting.

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: ethan_greer on April 03, 2003, 12:57:29 PM
Speaking of tentacles, did anyone here on the Forge see that article on CNN about the collosal squid they discovered?  This thing gets bigger than the giant squid, and it has hook-like teeth on its tentacles!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/04/03/colossal.squid.reut/index.html
Title: ideally you want to spoof the previous posts while answering
Post by: Lazy Smurf on April 03, 2003, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: xiombarg
Quote from: AnonymousFreeform?

Is that why the tentacle beast kept having its way with me even if I rolled perfect 20's? Your a bastard story teller... you know that?
Hey! Criss-cross posting isn't allowed at the Forge! I demand this thread be split!

Are writhing tentacle beasts criss-crossing the hallowed halls of The Forge in search of true love, or is it just another blatant pro narrativist ploy to generate posts?

Perhaps casual visitors to The Forge will never know for, as rumor has it, the heavy authoratative fist of moderation is whacking offending non-narrativist posts with the atomic death knell of censorship doom!
Title: Re: ideally you want to spoof the previous posts while answe
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: Lazy Smurf
Are writhing tentacle beasts criss-crossing the hallowed halls of The Forge in search of true love, or is it just another blatant pro narrativist ploy to generate posts?

So the Forge has a forum devoted to hentai, now? Unsurprising, really.

Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: greyorm on April 03, 2003, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: PaganiniAre you some kind of communist...
No, but I am a communist, exactly as the secret Forge decrees declare! Card-carrying CoRE member since 1999! All hail Bob...I mean Ron!

Quote...No one at the Forge believes in the greek myths
That's a heck of a statement coming from someone with the word "Pagan" in his name! Don't you know that all the games at the Forge promote paganism, heathenry and idolatry? Just look at Sorcerer!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Blake Hutchins on April 03, 2003, 01:40:57 PM
SunsaTHINKINbitchiz!  Why can't joo just GAME like normal peeple?

Worship the AntiCHri5t,

bLAK3
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 01:48:59 PM
Quote from: Blake HutchinsSunsaTHINKINbitchiz!  Why can't joo just GAME like normal peeple?

Worship the AntiCHri5t,

bLAK3

Your call to "GAME" and your willingness to worship the antichrist (clearly due to your tactical desire for short-term power) are both evidence of a Gamist orientation, however your insistence upon the importance of gaming "like normal people" shows that you are relying upon Simulationist assumptions.

You are clearly incoherent. You should read some of the articles at the Forge.


Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: szilardYou are clearly incoherent. You should read some of the articles at the Forge.

And if he's really incoherent, he should write articles at the Forge!

- Walt
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Mystery User #1 on April 03, 2003, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: wfreitag
Quote from: szilardYou are clearly incoherent. You should read some of the articles at the Forge.

And if he's really incoherent, he should write articles at the Forge!

Walt, thou art a true mandibulating bemooned montage of a mischief maker, musteth thou always so seeketh to stireth upeth grief amongst thy fellow Forgeites?

And whilest singing that horrendous song!  How doth it go again?

"Forge forge forge forge, forge forge forge forge. . . ."

ACK!  MEIN GOT!  Ist terribubble!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Gordon C. Landis on April 03, 2003, 03:17:26 PM
Quote from: Mystery User #1"Forge forge forge forge, forge forge forge forge. . . ."
I thought the Forge was above such typical-gamer juvenallia as a Monty Python reference?  Elitist - you keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: szilard on April 03, 2003, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Gordon C. Landis
Quote from: Mystery User #1"Forge forge forge forge, forge forge forge forge. . . ."
I thought the Forge was above such typical-gamer juvenallia as a Monty Python reference?  Elitist - you keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means!

Ph33R MY 133t G4M3rZ V0K4B! - Typical Poster on the Forge


Stuart
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Mike Holmes on April 03, 2003, 04:06:19 PM
Which reminds me. Nobody, Forge credentials or not is a complet gamer without one of these (mostly the fez):
http://www.villagehatshop.com/hats_pvp_online_gear.html

Mike
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Matt Wilson on April 03, 2003, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Mike HolmesWhich reminds me. Nobody, Forge credentials or not is a complet gamer without one of these (mostly the fez):
http://www.villagehatshop.com/hats_pvp_online_gear.html

Mike

I think you've just found this year's GenCon Forge booth uniform.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 04:24:49 PM
QuoteACK! MEIN GOT! Ist terribubble!

Eh? What do the Teletubbies have to do with my conduct at the Forge?

I mean, besides my agreeing with Laa-laa that GNS overlooks a fundamental conflict between metagame agenda and emotional player investment in the character's happiness, which becomes particularly acute in Simulationism?

- Walt
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Mike Holmes on April 03, 2003, 04:36:43 PM
Dude, as a father of a two-year old, I can tell you that it's not Laa-laa, it's just Lala.

And as to Lala's GNS predilections, we all know that he stance issue completely dissociates GNS from issues of player to character relationships in the non-metagame sense. To discuss this in terms of metagame agenda would be to assume that there were some transparency issues with Immersion in terms of creating story in a given genre.

Mike
Title: A forum party game
Post by: C. Edwards on April 03, 2003, 05:13:48 PM
Dude! I love PVP Online!



p.s. my hat of The Forge know no limit!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 05:51:58 PM
Mike, as we often point out at the Forge, it's not really possible to address these issues without reference to a substantial instance of Actual Play. So, I ask you to consider the following example:

NARRATOR: It was time for Tubby Custard.

PLAYERS: Tubby custaaad! Tubby custaaad!

NARRATOR: Po, roll your agility pool.

PLAYER 1 (PO): Okay, I'm using all three of my dice. [rolls] 2 1 4... no successes.

NARRATOR: Po's Tubby Custard spilled all over the place.

PLAYER 1 (PO): Eh oh!

PLAYERS: Eh oh!

NARRATOR: Lala, roll your agility pool.

PLAYER 2 (LALA): I'm only rolling one die, so I can trade the others two for  a point to my nuu-nuu pool. [rolls] 4, a failure.

NARRATOR: Lala's Tubby Custard spilled all over the place.

PLAYER 2 (LALA): Eh oh!

PLAYERS: Eh oh!

NARRATOR: Dipsy, roll your agility pool.

PLAYER 3 (DIPSY): I can roll up to five dice, or choose to roll fewer. Hmm...

Now, Dipsy's player faces a difficult choice. On the one hand, the metagame agenda of fidelity within this particular high-concept sim game demands that Dipsy continue the trend established by Po and Lala, and also spill her custard. The mechanics give her that option (or at least, a recourse that results in a high probability of that occurrence, by rolling fewer dice). But Dipsy's player also knows that Dipsy does not want to spill her custard, and doing so will make Dipsy sad. This is not a stance issue, it's a conflict that exists entirely within the player, between serving the metagame agenda by spilling the custard, or creating an outcome more favorable to Dipsy by avoiding spilling the custard. It's also not an issue of drift. Player 3's desire to avoid spilling the custard does not, in this instance, arise from the challenge of adept custard-handling. (Such a player agenda clearly could be Gamist, but it equally clearly is not necessarily so, any more than a movie audience's desire to see the good guys win must be motivated by competition or challenge.) Instead, it arises from the player's emotional identification with the character's well-being. Simulationism is the mode most often associated with close player identification with the character... and yet the idea of prioritizing fidelity (whether to causality or to genre expectations of coutcome) above all else appears to demand clinical detachment on the player's part, which is rarely if ever observed in actual play. This is a hidden arrhythmia at the heart of Simulationism. It's not an effect of drift but rather one of its strongest causes. And it's often mistaken for (or for want of alternatives end up expressed as) Gamism.

- Walt
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Valamir on April 03, 2003, 05:54:47 PM
You know I've been hanging out on the Forge too damn long when that actually almost makes sense...
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Walt Freitag on April 03, 2003, 06:04:10 PM
[evil laugh reverberates through the chambers and corridors of the Forge]

- Walt
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Fabrice G. on April 03, 2003, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: wfreitagNow, Dipsy's player faces a difficult choice. On the one hand, the metagame agenda of fidelity within this particular high-concept sim game demands that Dipsy continue the trend established by Po and Lala, and also spill her custard. The mechanics give her that option (or at least, a recourse that results in a high probability of that occurrence, by rolling fewer dice). But Dipsy's player also knows that Dipsy does not want to spill her custard, and doing so will make Dipsy sad. This is not a stance issue, it's a conflict that exists entirely within the player, between serving the metagame agenda by spilling the custard, or creating an outcome more favorable to Dipsy by avoiding spilling the custard. It's also not an issue of drift. Player 3's desire to avoid spilling the custard does not, in this instance, arise from the challenge of adept custard-handling. (Such a player agenda clearly could be Gamist, but it equally clearly is not necessarily so, any more than a movie audience's desire to see the good guys win must be motivated by competition or challenge.) Instead, it arises from the player's emotional identification with the character's well-being. Simulationism is the mode most often associated with close player identification with the character... and yet the idea of prioritizing fidelity (whether to causality or to genre expectations of coutcome) above all else appears to demand clinical detachment on the player's part, which is rarely if ever observed in actual play. This is a hidden arrhythmia at the heart of Simulationism. It's not an effect of drift but rather one of its strongest causes. And it's often mistaken for (or for want of alternatives end up expressed as) Gamism.


See, when I told ya dat de forge is chritsal clar..... I was LYING !!!!! AHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fabrice.

ps: rule n°1 ov da Forge--allawys make a constructive post.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Guess Who* on April 03, 2003, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: Fabrice G.
Quote from: wfreitagNow, Dipsy's player faces a difficult choice. On the one hand, the metagame agenda of fidelity within this particular high-concept sim game demands that Dipsy continue the trend established by Po and Lala, and also spill her custard. The mechanics give her that option (or at least, a recourse that results in a high probability of that occurrence, by rolling fewer dice). But Dipsy's player also knows that Dipsy does not want to spill her custard, and doing so will make Dipsy sad. This is not a stance issue, it's a conflict that exists entirely within the player, between serving the metagame agenda by spilling the custard, or creating an outcome more favorable to Dipsy by avoiding spilling the custard. It's also not an issue of drift. Player 3's desire to avoid spilling the custard does not, in this instance, arise from the challenge of adept custard-handling. (Such a player agenda clearly could be Gamist, but it equally clearly is not necessarily so, any more than a movie audience's desire to see the good guys win must be motivated by competition or challenge.) Instead, it arises from the player's emotional identification with the character's well-being. Simulationism is the mode most often associated with close player identification with the character... and yet the idea of prioritizing fidelity (whether to causality or to genre expectations of coutcome) above all else appears to demand clinical detachment on the player's part, which is rarely if ever observed in actual play. This is a hidden arrhythmia at the heart of Simulationism. It's not an effect of drift but rather one of its strongest causes. And it's often mistaken for (or for want of alternatives end up expressed as) Gamism.


See, when I told ya dat de forge is chritsal clar..... I was LYING !!!!! AHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fabrice.

ps: rule n°1 ov da Forge--allawys make a constructive post.

The quantum entanglements of the GNS debates here at The Forge are a lot like stove top stuffing: dry when you first open the package, then essentially a lot of breadcrumbs spilled into flavored water, until you stir.  That's when it gets really interesting!

Take the above example, for instance, it is liberally dipped in The Forge's special chocolate sauce of metaphorical determinism of absolutist ideologues as rooted in The Forge's preconceptions about the status quo of metagame construct cost ananylsis.  The average Forgeite might as well assume that Dipsy, knowing that its player is going soon to set out on a journey to Farther India, would thus negate the die rolls by acting to make its player think. Something which wfreitag was obviously waving a nieve at with the above observation in a effort to shake the very foundations of The Forge's most basic preconceptions about the social interaction amongst trolls.  Er... Telewubbies.




*does NOT rhyme with coypu!
Title: A forum party game
Post by: talysman on April 04, 2003, 02:53:47 AM
ok, I think I've seen enough. people at The Forge obviously don't know what real trolling is all about. or cooking, for that matter.

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The quantum entanglements of the GNS debates here at The Forge are a lot like stove top stuffing: dry when you first open the package, then essentially a lot of breadcrumbs spilled into flavored water, until you stir.  That’s when it gets really interesting!

this is ridiculous. first of all, you did not put a TM after Stove-Top Stuffing (TM), which means that you have violated Chef Boyardee's trademark. do you want a horde of copyright lawyers descending upon The Forge to shut it down under the DMCA?

second, this is not the way you make Stove-Top Stuffing (TM). please check your facts before posting nonsense to The Forge. I always do.

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Take the above example, for instance, it is liberally dipped in The Forge's special chocolate sauce

mmmm chocolate....

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of metaphorical determinism of absolutist ideologues as rooted in The Forge's preconceptions about the status quo of metagame construct cost ananylsis.

I had this weird image of a tiny $2.97 Metagaming pocketgame about giant walking political trees at war with accounting golems.

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The average Forgeite might as well assume that Dipsy, knowing that its player is going soon to set out on a journey to Farther India, would thus negate the die rolls by acting to make its player think.

waitasec, it's not "Father India" it's "Father Christmas". and since when has an rpg character made any players *think*?

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Something which wfreitag was obviously waving a nieve at with the above observation in a effort to shake the very foundations of The Forge's most basic preconceptions about the social interaction amongst trolls.  Er... Telewubbies.

oh, great, a nice friendly game and already wfreitag is trying to nieve-fight everyone, just like Bach! now kirk will be forced to rip a hole in his shirt and turn on the portable soundtrack.

duh duh DA da DA da DA dut-duh DA DA!

wake me up when they retrofit spock's body to a racecar. I like that part.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Mike Holmes on April 04, 2003, 09:45:59 AM
Hmm. Our Guest, Guess Who left a clue in one point font. Here it is for the HTML challenged.

Quote*does NOT rhyme with coypu!

Any guesses?

Mike
Title: A forum party game
Post by: ethan_greer on April 04, 2003, 09:46:27 AM
You people are always changing the subject; that's the thing I hate the most about the Forge.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Kester Pelagius on April 04, 2003, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: ethan_greerYou people are always changing the subject; that's the thing I hate the most about the Forge.

Yes that is annoying, how the folks at The Forge make one think, I mean really!  If I wanted to think this early in the morning I'd log into The Forge and... hey!




To talysman:  that, sir, was pure genius.
Title: A forum party game
Post by: Random* on April 05, 2003, 02:08:36 AM
Quote from: talysmanok, I think I've seen enough. people at The Forge obviously don't know what real trolling is all about. or cooking, for that matter.

Cooking has never been a matter of much concern to Trolls.

This is not a stance issue, it's a conflict that exists entirely because there are certain dynamic pressures that members of The Forge uber cabal just can't divulge, thus perhaps a certain degree of the pomp seems more like a day old flumph than the shiney new car which you desire.

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this is ridiculous. first of all, you did not put a TM after Stove-Top Stuffing (TM), which means that you have violated Chef Boyardee's trademark. do you want a horde of copyright lawyers descending upon The Forge to shut it down under the DMCA?

second, this is not the way you make Stove-Top Stuffing (TM). please check your facts before posting nonsense to The Forge. I always do.

The Forge is a den of polytheistiswidgetwizes of utmost economy which allows for the overlooking of certain fundamental conflicts that arise between members of the jackbooted liberal 'fair use lobby' and those plush and lovable die hard grognards of 'no you can't ever mention my stuff without paying me first' so that knowledge can be inseminated with kitchen basters into the minds of the many.

Soon you too will be One with the polytheistiswidgetwizes, no one can elude the spores for long!

Mwu-hahahahahahahahaha


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I had this weird image of a tiny $2.97 Metagaming pocketgame about giant walking political trees at war with accounting golems.

Then the The Forge is good. subliminls are working.  Das ist good, ja, very good.  I will love The Forge at all times.[/color]



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