CCGs question

[Kilor Di]

Can we discuss card games in the Indie Game Design forum?  I ask because I have a card game (like Yu Gi Oh or Magic:The Gathering) I've been working on since high school that I'd like to discuss, but I don't know if it's proper for this site.

[Ron Edwards]

Hello,

Damn, that's a Pandora's Box, isn't it?

Reluctantly, I'm gonna say "no." But I'm open to discussion about it, so if anyone wants to chime in one way or another, please feel free.

Best,
Ron

[Shreyas Sampat]

I'd like to suggest that the Forge have some recommended resources for non-RPG game design, since it seems that we have some members interested in such things. Ron and Clinton: I'll start to compile a list of such fora that could be linked to, if you think that's appropriate.

[Christopher Weeks]

I realize that this isn't just a touchy-feely community chat board thingie.  And because of that, the focuse we find here is a good thing.  And I would hate to see CCG (especially) or boardgame design conversations clutter these groups, but if there was a seperate topic-group, sort of (but sort of not) off-topic that related to non-RP, game design, I'd take part.  There's a lot of smart folks here that also play other kinds of games.  It would in some ways be nice to have a place to house the tie-in conversations like "is compter game X an RPG?" and "how do the L5R CCG and RPGs relate, and would it be cooler if they were systematically reflective?"

my $.02,

Chris

[Mike Holmes]

We've discussed CCG RPGs before. Like Dragonstrike (sp?). So it's not the card format that's inappropriate, it's just that they're not RPGs. Right?

Mike

[Ron Edwards]

That's right, Mike. It's the RPG thing that I'm reluctant to ste[ beyond, at least not much.

Not that we have a really good definition of the damned things, but what can you do ...

For example, I reviewed Bedlam, which is a smidgeon outside my personal notion of what an RPG is. But I think that its content, like Once Upon a Time, offers a lot for role-players to think about. At present, all such gray zones should be designated yea-or-nay by me, although (given the absence of said definition) I'll probably call for comments about it.

Best,
Ron

[Kilor Di]

Hmm...some very good points here.  So, is anyone aware of a site where they do discuss designing CCGs?  I didn't know about the Forge Forums until I was referred to this site by someone on the Planet AD&D forum boards.

[daMoose_Neo]

Honestly, I've found a LOT of resources here that helps me out with my CCG publishing and I don't see any CCG discussion going on at all~ Nice thing is, business end of it, CCG and RPG people are in a lot of the same boat...if you could throw up a forum for 'CCG Design', a lot of the other resources and advice floating about concerning demos, publishing and what not is really good even if it isn't meant for it.

[Ron Edwards]

Hi daMoose,

Yeah, I agree about that. I hope the Forge's resources and discussions are useful to independent publishers of all kinds: board games, CCGs, books, whatever. And I'm even open to discussions which concern these non-game things, as long as role-playing is involved somehow - even just as a basis for comparison.

But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and "wholly non-RPG" would be it, I think.

Best,
Ron