Sorcerer: an unofficial Rulings collection

[Doyce]

Hey all.  

A week or so ago, while working on collating a bunch of my static gaming pages into a single wiki (PMWiki, since you asked) and also reading something really useful for Sorcerer here on the Forge, I thought "Hmm, I want to save that.", so I made a new "Sorcerer" group in the wiki and paraphrased the entry in there.

Things kind of snowballed from there.  As I started gathering other little rules bits and errata and rulings from various posts and sticking them in where I could find them a bit more easily later, I went kinda OCD.

I'm better now.  (Mostly because I feel like the little project is reasonably complete, at least for a first-pass.)

Anyway, the (not final) result is, IMO, pretty useful and relatively complete so far as my weak-ass Forge-search-fu can determine.  

I hereby invite you to check it out, improve it, add to it, flame it... whatever.

http://random.average-bear.com/pmwiki.php/Sorcerer/HomePage

Just fergawdsakes don't delete the damn thing -- it was a hell of a lot of work.

Unspeakably nervous about this particular post; please take it easy on me.

[greyorm]

You rock. Thank you!
This is something I've always thought about Sorcerer needing, but never had the time or dedication for myself.

[ScottM]

A quick gander... it looks very handy to me. I've seen many of the clarifications, but having them carefully compiled is nice.

When I read ranged, I though that you might have overlooked the whole meters thing, but that's listed under the general "demon powers". Perhaps link back to to that general power for the stuff that's listed with specific units? Also there's a Clinton link at the bottom of trading humanity that I was tempted to remove, but thought that you might have there for a reason.

Thanks for your efforts, the pages will be handy.
--Scott

[Doyce]

When I read ranged, I though that you might have overlooked the whole meters thing, but that's listed under the general "demon powers". Perhaps link back to to that general power for the stuff that's listed with specific units? Also there's a Clinton link at the bottom of trading humanity that I was tempted to remove, but thought that you might have there for a reason.

Added a note to the Ranged page.

The Clinton link was there simply to attribute the quote it followed, since it essentially a direct quote.

Glad folks see a use for it.  I'm going to go ice my mouse-hand. :)

[Ron Edwards]

Hello,

I am astounded. Doyce, you have done a fantastic thing. it might take a day or so, but I'll make an announcement and a big plug for this at the Sorcerer website.

Best,
Ron

[Nev the Deranged]

Wow. You just completely removed the need for me to continue working on this document I've slaved over for the last month.

Now, do I kill you, or kiss you?

Okay, actually, that's overly dramatic. You've removed the need for me to continue working on this document with the aim of posting it for the edification of others. I still need to do it for my own benefit, and for my players. But I'm under less pressure now. And doubtless your wiki will make it easier for me to finish. So...

Smooches coming your way =*

***EDIT***
Ye gawds... that's just creepy. Since my Sorcerer for Dummies / Quickref document has taken shape in large part based on my and others' queries here, often taking text directly from posts here; and your Wiki has done essentially the same thing... they actually are frighteningly similar. Especially since I've asked most of the recent questions... much of the text under first few headings I read mimics text under headings in my document almost word for word. Heh. Go figure.

No concern over it, it just caught me off guard and was kind of funny/wierd.

When I'm doneish I probably will end up posting what I've got, for approval / final editing, and then if you want to take it and wikify it for everyone to use, that would actually save me a lot of trouble. So yay for teamwork ^_^
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[Judd]

This thing rocks.

It is like all of the times I have re-read Sorcerer and prowled the Adept Press Forum looking for an answer, all bound up in one document.

Nice.

[sirogit]

Wow! That's fantastic. I'll definately be adding to it in the near future.

[kwill]

yay for teamwork indeed! I'm sure you've covered the few posts I've got bookmarked, I'll have a closer look when I have more time after mid-June

doyce, how keen or unkeen are you for others to contribute to this?

nev, depending on that answer I'd say this truly is a perfect opportunity for teamwork - I'm not familiar with PmWiki specifically, but XHTML can be tweaked for print if that was your goal

ron, tangentally, I've been meaning to suggest that "wiki" get added to the glossary - while it isn't Forge Jargon per se, it's a web tool that Forgites have been using very effectively for stuff-about-roleplaying (this instance) and Actual Play (TUA, obviously) and occasionally people don't know what it's about - just a thought

doyce, this rocks!

[Doyce]

doyce, how keen or unkeen are you for others to contribute to this?

I'm very open to it, provided everyone respects everyone else's work and acknowledges the goal of the thing, which is to compile clarifications and explanations of aspects of the game, not to create an online copy of the Sorcerer text :)

nev, depending on that answer I'd say this truly is a perfect opportunity for teamwork - I'm not familiar with PmWiki specifically, but XHTML can be tweaked for print if that was your goal

Actually, PMWiki has a very nice 'print this page' button that switches your view to a good view for printing stuff out. All in all it's one of the best easy-install, easy-customize wiki tools out there.

doyce, this rocks!

Thank you, and thanks to the other folks who've recently expressed similar sentiment -- it reaffirms that I'm better suited for Actual Play and game system forums :)

[Nev the Deranged]

Maybe I didn't say it outright, but I do really dig what you've done. Reading back over my posts I kind of sound whiny, which wasn't really my intention. So, in case it wasn't clear, Good Job, Man!! ^_^

And I must say, that's the finest looking Wiki I've ever seen... very clean and concise and stylistically coherent. Nice job!

[Doyce]

Thanks, Nev!

I also have to point out that some folks have already stepped in and made some quality additions to some of the pages... a tweak here, an addition there... all of it the sort of stuff that really helps start to tie together the whole.  Great stuff.

[tetsujin28]

Doyce:
Wow. This rules. Seriously.

[kwill]

doyce,

one suggestion so far - most of the pages are just "rulings" without reference to a particular source; I would suggest that including a link reference to the Forge thread/s where the ruling came up (or alternate sources, though I can't think of any other types offhand) would be useful

obviously this shouldn't overpower the utility of the wiki, which is to provide the end-product, the ruling itself, but a reference basically provides a context for the ruling

am I looking at this the wrong way?

[Doyce]

one suggestion so far - most of the pages are just "rulings" without reference to a particular source

am I looking at this the wrong way?

I don't think it's 'wrong' at all -- it's a different design goal than what I set out with -- I saw a danger that, by providing links, I'd be tempted to not provide the meat of the actual ruling in the wiki itself.  Links rot, the internet changes, et cetera, and I didn't want to rely on it at all.

While the Forge is invaluable and certainly the source of 90% of the conversations that provided these rulings, I didn't want to make the wiki reliant on the Forge to illustrate the rulings.

In essence, I was building a Sorcerer Errata/Ruling page.  That's the whole of it's context.