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Started by Jason Morningstar, January 17, 2006, 12:12:56 PM
Quote from: Clinton R. Nixon on January 17, 2006, 02:53:41 PMThe last scene - Remi didn't win until I helped. That is, Jason's character could have resisted, but I helped with Remi's super-trump, forcing his powers to go all nova and making him become the Prophet of Love. This was awesome - for me as the outside world character, I got to force something on one of the two characters in the conflict.
Quote from: Clinton R. Nixon on January 17, 2006, 02:53:41 PMWashington going up wasn't because Jason lost a conflict, although I know why he thinks that. It was because of the stakes bidding system, where I specified that if he wins, Washington goes up, and he accepts it. The conflict was over whether the US broke his caliphate or not, with the added bit that if he won, the US would be humbled.
Quote from: Jason Morningstar on January 18, 2006, 02:38:20 PMClinton, what happens when someone frames the stakes so aggressively unpleasant that leaving either win or lose intact is unsatisfying for them? Is this just an issue of assholery and player trust? (I secretly enjoyed nuking DC)
Quote from: Jason Morningstar on January 18, 2006, 03:19:26 PMOne guy's playing hard is another guy's dickosity, which I guess is a social contract issue from the beginning, especially in a game that allows such crazy wide latitude in stake-setting, like Face of Angels, where you actually wnt the stakes to be unacceptable out of the gate. So as long as that is clear everybody's OK.
Quote from: Jason Morningstar on January 18, 2006, 03:19:26 PMYou know, come to think of it, we reset stakes on numerous occasions, casually. Someone would say, "no, that's a little weak" and we'd try framing the conflict again from scratch. I guess crying foul on that falls under assholery, but I think that technically it isn't allowed. I wouldn't play any other way, but it seems to me that ought to be articulated in the rules.
Quote from: Jason Morningstar on January 17, 2006, 12:12:56 PMWe had started as rivals, became as close as brothers, then bitter rivals again, and then, at the dawn of act IV, maybe lovers. The Red Prophet's supertrump got played, and he changed his trump suit from clubs (violence) to hearts (compassion and love). Which was utterly awesome. So we're entering the final act not as enemies, not even as friends, but as a couple. It is not what I would have predicted - it's a lot better.