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Started by Hans, September 07, 2006, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: TonyLB on September 07, 2006, 12:17:15 PMIn my experience the place you get pounded, once you have six debt, is when you get desperate and try to unload it too fast. Overextending yourself gets you slapped down bad."Oh look! I'll stake 3 Debt on A and 3 Debt on B and now I'm not merely no longer overdrawn, I've actually got room to spare!"Which ... yeah ... if everyone lets you win both A and B. But suppose you win only A? Now you've gotten back six debt (just like you started out with) plus you presumably used a fair number of powers trying to defend B.
Quote from: Bret Gillan on September 07, 2006, 02:02:51 PMHow about Debt-dump Conflicts? Create Conflicts that are relevant to the Drive that you can't imagine anyone else at the table really caring about, pile Debt on it, and watch it disappear. You'll probably get some token opposition so that someone can rake in those Story Tokens, but unless someone is out to get you it probably won't come back your way. Now, granted Debt is a resource and this may not be the best way to leverage that resource, but if you're looking for an easy way to hemorrhage it, this is my standby.
Quote from: Hans on September 07, 2006, 01:30:40 PMThis brings up an issue that I think is worth discussion; how DO you get rid of that six debt? Or worse, if you lose both those conflicts above and now have TWELVE! Or perhaps even worse, the four debt you stacked up on a 1 drive strength drive in a bizarre fit of confusion. Obviously, I know that mechanically the way you get rid of debt is staking and the winning conflicts.
Quote from: Hans on September 07, 2006, 02:25:05 PMI can see this in principle. In practice, when I have tried this, I seem to be very bad at imagining what other people will fight over. They ALWAYS seem to fight. Moreover, since the goal was seemingly one I didn't think anyone would care about, it means that people are fighting over something that isn't that important. Or at least, it didn't seem like it should be that important.
Quote from: TonyLB on September 07, 2006, 04:44:59 PMIf other players have few Story Tokens, many Inspirations and very little debt themselves then spending your debt almost guarantees a victory: they don't have any incentive to win that matches their incentive to lose.
Quote from: TonyLB on September 07, 2006, 04:44:59 PMIf other players have many Story Tokens, great piles of debt and only a few Inspirations that is the wrong time to try to get rid of debt: the other players are much more interested in winning then they are in gaining Story Tokens.
Quote from: Hans on September 07, 2006, 05:12:57 PMI've attempted to get rid of debt in the circumstances you describe, but ended up being caught in a big conflict over it because of some narrative element I brought in that made people go "ah, hell no!" and fight me unexpectedly.
Quote from: Hans on September 07, 2006, 05:12:57 PMThis could be symptom of suboptimal play on my and my friends part, and after we have played a lot more we will get used to it and manage it better.