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Started by JMendes, October 01, 2002, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: Ron EdwardsBut "immersion," people do arrive with. I am convinced, pending some substantive argument, that providing a definition is going to be terribly alienating and excluding to many, many visitors to the site. The existing jargon is scary and some people feel threatened by it, but I think the number of people who feel outright terrorized and insulted by a definition of immersion (no matter how wondrous) would be much greater.
Quote from: WartThe longer this discussion goes on for, the more I think we need to define what we mean by "immersion", otherwise any discussion on it within the Forge is going to be problematic. Whilst it would be nice if this definition could go into Ron's essay (since so much of the Forge's discussion is based on it), if it has to go elsewhere (perhaps a "Forge glossary", compiled by several individuals and compiling both terms that arise in Ron's essay and other commonly-used Forge terms which don't appear in the essay) then so be it.
Quote from: Lewis Carroll in the Alice stories"There's Glory for you," Humpty Dumpty said."I'm sorry," Alice answered, "but I don't know what you mean by that.""I mean, there's a good solid knock-down argument for you.""I don't think 'glory' means that.""When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less," Humpty Dumpty stated."The question is whether you can make words mean whatever you want."
QuoteImmersion: A state where the person is engrossed in the medium in the same way that one can be said to be "lost in a book" (many have associated this state with intense empathy with the character(s) ). Colderidge coined the term Willing Suspension of Disbelief, as a state when we allow ourselves to "forget" that they are reading a book (or watching a movie or playing a game) and might say they are "caught up in the story."This has been broken down into the following categories:Temporal -- [defn]Spatial -- [defn]etc.-- [defn]Some things that we associate with Immersive play:1. Playing in character.2. Emotional identification with character (the player reports feeling as the character feels) 3. Surprise at breaks in the action (the player reports a jarring feeling when something happens in the environment to disrupt play)4. etc ...Some things that, for purposes of this discussion are NOT immersive play (although in other contexts that word would make sense):1. Extreme concentration that is not associated with identifying with the character (such as the concentration of a chess player)2. Treating the character as a pawn or game-piece. 3. etc ...
Quote from: MarcoSomeone (Clinton?) related a tale where he played and wound up thinking like a mentally regressed character--that's *deep* immersion. I've seen players take personality traits of their characters away from the table (that's deep immersion).
Quote from: Ron EdwardsDoes anyone object to me creating such a list<...>I'll start with the five I've identified<...>
Quote from: contracycleIn this regard I think I can see what the Turku school are getting it; they are actively seeking this mode. Whether this is a good or bad thing is open to debate, but I do think there is an extreme form of the RP phenomonon.