A question about TROS' art

[Pvt Kastro]

Wow. I honestly didn´t expect to send my first post on this Forum to a thread like this. Oh well...

Pvt Kastro

[Valamir]

Two: No, it is NOT attempting to emulate pulp sword and sorcery. If THAT were the case, the rules for combat would be slanted in favor of the heroes. Conan was a larger than life hero, and he faced things FAR more deadly that a thrust to his guts on a regular basis. In terms of TROS, Conan's bravily stupid antics would have resulted in his death quite early on.

Actually NB, the game is very S&S oriented.  Get enough Spiritual Attributes firing and Conan chops through enemies like wheat, armor or no armor.  So the way the GM passes out SAs during the game really is a controllable dial between high grit and blood opera.  Set to the setting of your liking.

There are plenty of threads around on that subject here if you do a little searching.

[Nero's Boot]

I don't think anyone really cares about your sexual orientation here.

That's the whole point behind my rant!  Wouldn't you get tired eventually of seeing men's penises in gaming art, if that was on every other page?  Wouldn't you eventually get disgusted by turning the page and seeing YET ANOTHER DICK prominently displayed like a trophy?   I wouldn't mind that at all, in fact, it'd be rather refreshing.  But just as you would find rampant depictions of penises something that would annoy you and aggravate you to no end, boobies do the same thing to me.

--for fuck's sake people NB

[Draigh]

here's the thing NB.

There is no male equivalent to boobs, unless you count manboobs, and unlike chickboobs, those aren't really appreciated by anybody.
The penis / boob analogy won't work, because the opposite of penis is vagina.

it must get really tiring for you, being a gay man... having to walk around in the real world and see women wearing clothes that accentuate their breasts.

you have my sympathy.

[Draigh]

oh, and I have yet to see any chicks with their pussies hanging out in TRoS, much less any RPG book.

[mrgrimm]

Okay Nero, I'm gonna try to help you here, because you seem to be missing the clues that people are trying to give you. I am not trying to be condescending. If it comes off that way I am sorry, that is not what was intended.

To be blunt, leave the attitude at the door. That's all we ask. You seem to have a problem doing that.

You can't seem to make any of your critisms constructive, only insulting. I'm not, and I expect, neither is Brian nor Jake (maybe it should be Jake and Brian...pecking order you know!), asking you to not be critical of the game. I am just asking that when you are, to try to be less agressive about it. People here are more than willing to hash out things with you to discuss your problems with the game in a non-agressive format to hopefully come to an amiacable solution, but if you lead off with attitude you will get it back in spades and you seem suprised by that. As an example this whole thread started with  you having a problem with the pics of scantily clad women and though you do make valid points there are hidden by your "bad" attitude.

Possibly, a more constructive way of asking that question would be.
"Does anyone else here have a problem with the pictures of the scantily clad women in this game, it really tends to bother me because that is all you see in fantasy games?"

Now that may have gotten you a better response, maybe not, but to me it seems less agressive and less attitude geared.

I hope this helps.


Mr. Grimm

[MonkeyWrench]

I'm looking at my rulebook and here are the illustrations as I see them.....

p2 a guy with no shirt on petting a dog
p8 a guy with no shirt on
p10 a FULLY dressed woman cleaning her sword
p15 a woman showing cleavage and some thigh
p34 a woman in bikini top and slit skirt
p47 a guy in a loin cloth
p60 a shirtless guy
p63 2 shirtless dudes
p67 a woman in a tanktop showing middrift
p74 another middrift showing woman
p75 a shirtless dude
p 78 a man in a loin cloth
p79 a dead woman in bikini top and low cut pants
p82 a woman with the classic chainmail bikini
p 87 a FULLY armored woman
p88 a guy in a loin cloth
p93 a woman in a tube top
p95 a woman showing cleavage
p102 a fully clothed woman
p105 a fully clothed woman
p110 a fully clothed woman
p119 a woman with lots of cleavage
p120 a fully dressed woman
p130 a topless woman, but with her hair covering her nipples
p136 a shadowed naked woman
p142 a fully armored woman
p144 a shirtless man
p150 a fully dressed woman
p154 a fully dressed woman
p162 a shirtless man
p164 a shirtless man
p176 a shirtless man
p181 a fully dressed woman
p183 a fully dressed woman
p186 a fully dressed woman
p205 a woman in a chainmail bikini
p208 a half naked dead woman
p210 a woman showing some middrift and shoulder
p211 an armored woman
p218 2 fully clothed women
This is a 263 page rulebook.
Totals....
Half naked women.......12
Naked women.......2 (maybe)
clothed women......14
half naked men......12 (see half naked woman above)
I may have somehow miscounted.

[Rattlehead]

One: I am a gay man

Wow. Now we get to wonder if you're:
A) Really gay.
B) Gay because it gets you attention. Or...
C) Just saying you're gay in the hopes of further inciting responses.

You are getting better at this. Always leave them guessing as to just how genuine you are. One of the more subtle methods of a troll. Bravo!

For a game like Exalted, which is based on anime, this is not only appropriate, it fits like a glove.

Oops! You've let it slip here. Considering that your rationale for complaint is based on your sexual orientation, there wouldn't be any "appropriate" use of the female form in artwork. Granted, a truly homosexual man would be open to it in reality, due to a more "liberal" outlook*. But, if it offends you in TROS for that reason, then it would offend elsewhere as well.

But for a game like TROS, where the combat system is as lethal as it is, a female adventurer wandering around with her boobs and belly exposed is going to get gutted and left in a ditch.

I think the fact that TROS underscores this fact is well represented elsewhere in this thread... I'll leave that one alone.

I am personally disgusted by seeing women again and again being objectified as "purty gurls with big boobs and a nice butt."

I'm personally disgusted by every person on the planet being disgusted by this or that. These days everyone seems to have a bug up their ass about some silly thing or other. Good grief, get over it...

For fuck's sake, the art in a gameline should support the themes of the game, and wandering around practically naked is a good way to get skewered.

Already covered. See elsewhere in this thread...

Two: No, it is NOT attempting to emulate pulp sword and sorcery.  If THAT were the case, the rules for combat would be slanted in favor of the heroes.  Conan was a larger than life hero, and he faced things FAR more deadly that a thrust to his guts on a regular basis.  In terms of TROS, Conan's bravily stupid antics would have resulted in his death quite early on.

Again, this has already been covered. But I would like to point out that pulp fantasy does indeed fit this description. You're simply wrong here, rather than ravingly foolish.

Three: I am not trolling, but anyone who thinks I am can politely go fuck himself.

Umm.... Yeah... You are....

I just lost my father, and am I not allowed anger at a crappy product that arrived on the very day my dad was buried?

Nope. You sure aren't. That dog won't hunt. If you lost your father, as you say, then you have my condolences. But that doesn't give you liscense to be a prick. Let's assume that you truly are unhappy with your purchase. Even that doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. Sure, you're entitled to make your feelings known, but not in a acerbic and uncivilized way.

Fuck you.  Just ban me, for fuck's sake.

AMEN! Preach it brother!

--I guess everyone here likes to wack off to boobies in gaming products NB

I'm sure some do, but I personally prefer my wife's wiles to my hand. LOL! There are worse things to do in the privacy of one's own home....

You're getting better, but you need a lot of practice to be a true net troll. Keep working at it, and you'll get there! I have faith in you! :-D

Brandon

*I don't mean the term liberal in the political sense, let's not go there...

EDIT: Fore speeling errurs.... /EDIT

[Brian Leybourne]

This thread is closed. No more posts.

NB: you're entitled to your opinions and I wont censor them or ban you since we don't do that here (Besides which, at this point I personally suspect you're trying to get banned so you can have something else to complain about).

Everyone else: lay off, you're not helping.

Everyone including NB: I have had enough of the swearing and the insulting. Stop it. This has always been, and mostly remains to be an extremely friendly and welcoming forum. We simply don't have flame wars here. Posting an inflamitory comment doesn't make a flame war. Responding in like to one does. It's not necessary, so don't do it.

And stop making me moderate. You're not 12 anymore and I 'aint your daddy.

Brian.