Trollbabe website - ideas solicited

[Ron Edwards]

First, the news you're interested in: I've really hammered out some new stuff for the new version of Trollbabe. I'm really happy with it, and have passed it about to very few readers at this stage. Rest assured that a solid shorty version will be made publicly available in advance of the book.

In related news, a number of artists have returned and some new ones have been busy too. Anna Kreider's first sketches may be seen at her blog, Building Rome in a Day. (All together now: "She will fuck you up!" Go read the blog, you'll see what I mean)

Now for the purpose of this thread. See, I had a bunch of ideas long ago, like in 2002, for the Trollbabe site, and they didn't happen. One of them was to have a big map of the world, and you could click on a spot and read summaries of all the Trollbabe adventures people had played there. Meaning that you could input them yourself. Another was to have some kind of artists' gallery and even a way to get your own trollbabe's portrait drawn. Anyway, that was a while ago.

As far as I'm concerned, if a game or publisher is to have a website, then you should be able to go there for a unique purpose you can't find anywhere else, and you should have a reason to re-visit periodically. I realize that I need to conceive a Trollbabe website for the ground up, period. (Yes, and revise the seven-year-old Sorcerer site, and one for Mutual Decision, blah blah. Let's do Trollbabe first.)

So!! Ideas, thoughts, notions? What if you'd just played Trollbabe? What would you like to do at the homepage?

Best, Ron

[jburneko]

Read lots and lots of Tha porn?

More seriously a tool for making your own Trollbabe portraits alla Heromachine would be awesome but probably a lot of work.

Related but not quite web-site specific, I'd still like a poster sized Trollbabe map.  Possibly laminated for repeat usage.

Jesse

[Larry L.]

Yay!

You got the Trollbabe comics archived somewhere? Get those back up. Those were a pretty cool way to figure out what the game was actually about. The indie-comic sensibility help a lot, too.

[greyorm]

You know, I still have that full-color poster-sized map sitting on my hard drive gathering electronic dust from 2002. I think it's mostly done...hrm, yep. A completed version and an almost completed DoinItBetter version.

[Eero Tuovinen]

Another vote for Trollbabe porn here.

I also like the geographical arranging of play reports. The technologically simplest way of doing it is to just serve the map and location links from your own server and let each individual adventure report be a link to wherever it is published, whether that be the Forge, an individual's own website or some other solution. That way you don't need a dedicated database solution like a Wiki or some such.

[James_Nostack]

Ron, one idea might be a Trollbabe "non-canonical setting" wiki or soemthing, if there's a way to frame such a thing as to ensure that players don't take it as any kind of official setting.  Reading some of the AP was really cool just to see the various bits of color that each player was throwing out there.  Clinton's thing where trolls hatch from hardening lava-eggs in the middle of an Icelandic wasteland, for example, was pretty cool, and (based on my sole experience as a Trollbabe player) I'd love to learn more about the Sisterhood of the Blessed Crook and the Spider Nuns.  I realize that part of the deal with Trollbabe is that it's meant to be wide-open, but sometimes it's fun to jam, too.

[skatay]

new trollbabe strips!

[rafial]

Excellent news!  I'm very glad to hear that a new edition of Trollbabe is on the way.

As far as the website goes, I think the coolest and most original thing Trollbabe ever had was the strips.  While it would be awesome to have an archive of all the old strips, I can understand that there might be significant obstacles to pulling that together.  But new strips for sure!  The strips were both unique and also evocative of the kind of stories that you can tell using Trollbabe.

I also think it would be neat to have a section where people can contribute situation kernels.  Not everyone is skilled at coming up compelling stakes off the top of their head, so having a library of situation suggestions to complement the example that are sure to be in the book would be golden.

[Finarvyn]

Yeah, if we can't have Trollbabe porn the next best thing would be the comic strips. I think that part of what makes Trollbabe so unique is also what makes it a bit hard to convey to others -- the whole idea of what a Trollbabe does and why. The comic strips show this in action and would be a nice thing to use to intro newcomers to the entire concept.

Of course, the map would be nice as well. While I know that the intent isn't to have an "official" world, Trollbabe seems like the kind of game where a collaborative world would be really neat. Having links to adventures that others have had is a neat idea because it builds on the "collaborative world" concept and a GM could use those ideas as adventure hooks in those same places in the world for his own players.

A couple of character sheet designs would be nice. Having a dozen or so Trollbabe icons that could be copied-and-pasted onto a character sheet would be pretty cool, or character sheets with pictures already on them so you could pick a character sheet, roll a 'babe, and play.

[James_Nostack]

Ron, it's not my area of expertise by any means, but I've heard that the trick with websites is to

• frequently added stuff from the top-down
• frequently added stuff from the bottom-up

The latter is a lot easier once you get going.  So I'd think about way to facilitate/encourage users to add their own content: maybe by breaking down the game design, allowing people to hack the rules; maybe set up some PBP forums (or come up with a version of the rules to work better with PBP), etc.

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I know I've said this before, but part of me thinks that Trollbabe could be an almost perfect introductory table-top RPG for 12-14 year old kids, particularly girls, if it were marketed in those channels and if that fits with your vision of the game.

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I also think that the last 15-20 years of escapist fiction has generally dealt with strong, heroic women in a very superficial way; sort of like kick-ass hot chicks who are, like, strong 'n stuff, which is a qualification for being the male hero's love interest.  So it might be good to include a bibliography of books/movies that get this right, definitely including Salmonson and C.L. Moore.

[Moreno R.]

Just the first two things I though, I don't know if they are feasible or even useful...

A gallery section where women players could send photoshop-altered or drawn horned portraits of them as their character?

A point-of-contact for organizing play by e-mail / chat / skype?

[GreatWolf]

I also think it would be neat to have a section where people can contribute situation kernels.  Not everyone is skilled at coming up compelling stakes off the top of their head, so having a library of situation suggestions to complement the example that are sure to be in the book would be golden.

This is about the first thing I thought of. Something like the example situations on p.36-37 of the current edition. Specifically, they should not be tied to a location, but rather sorted by Scale.

Even cooler would be a randomizer that would let the user select a Scale and number of situation seeds to be provided. That way, I could just go to the website and say, "Gimme my adventure for the night." And boom! There it would be.

Of course, we both know that the work really isn't done at this point. However, this gives the GM a good place to start.

[James_Nostack]

Actually, an Oracle type of thing, like "In a Wicked Age," would be pretty cool, assuming the entries were as evocative as Vincent's.  One of the random elements would have to be whatever's in that scale (so: a caravan, several villagers, a merchant ship, an outlaw band, a thespian troupe, a troll feast-hall, etc.)  This would also inject a lot of color into the game.  I think Trollbabe is going after something pretty damn specific, color-wise, so it would be good to have prompts and guidance.

[Markus]

A new version of my favorite game? Good news. So, what could prompt me to visit a Trollbabe website regularly? My short answer is so short that it's a single word actually: maps. One of the many many things I like of trollbabe is the celebration of the 'cool fantasy map' it contains. But, my point is that the merit of this resides in the idea itself - not necessarily in *the* map that is/will be included in the game text.

For instance, I like to draw fantasy maps. One year ago I prepared a map that was a lot more 'zoomed in' than the one in the book. I've drawn a promontory with cliffs, an human village with a wooden palisade, some hills with funny holes in it, a set of ruins, a wood with a large spider in the middle, obviously-inhabited caves on the shore, and a pirate ship in the middle of the sea. That's the map I shown to my friends in the first session. My reasoning was that with a more zoomed-in map those personal level stakes would feel more 'real', but I know this is a vague notion (and not the point of the present discussion).

The bottom line is, I'd like to visit the website and download maps uploaded by other players. People could still link AP reports to specific places in a map - but there would be lots of different maps. Maps could maybe even suggest slighlty alternative 'flavors' (I'm reluctant to call these 'settings') for the game. I'm thinking about maps with an oriental look, or entirely sea-based, or showing nothing else than the top of giant trees, you got the idea.

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[Peter Nordstrand]

Babe me up! I want a page where people can send in pictures of themselves dressed up/re-touched/electronically altered to make them look like troll babes. This may or may not be the same as the porn-page. ;-)

I want to make my own trollbabe comics, and you ought to publish them on site!

I want to do a trollbabe comic with other people. Like this: Eero starts it off by making the first row of strips. Then, after having read Eero's, Marc does the second row. Then it is my turn, etc. Wouldn't that be cool?