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3/28/2005 sirogit: Expansion of the game-division list in the Nar Essay
I'm not 100% if this is an appropiate post. I'd really like to see an expanded version of that game-divsvion-list-thingy in the Nar essay featuring more games, either in this…
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Participants: sirogit, Ron Edwards, Victor Gijsbers.

3/20/2005 giblfiz: What is the love of Character creation under GNS?
Several of my friends, and I, particularly enjoy the act of character creation. There is a tendency to like it more for crunchier systems, which I suppose isn't all that…
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Participants: giblfiz, timfire, greyorm, Ron Edwards, M. J. Young, Noon.

3/18/2005 Gordon C. Landis: One opinion on why and how GNS matters [Essay]
This essay/post will (hopefully) serve three purposes. First, I think that why and how GNS matters (that is, how it's useful in creating and playing enjoyable games) is often misunderstood.…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis.

3/14/2005 Kat Miller: "Let's play house" A Model For Simulationism
I posted this Last week but it became carnage for the hacker: I’ve been trying to better understand Simulationism. I’ve read the Essay but while I understood the words the…
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Participants: Kat Miller, Ron Edwards, Sydney Freedberg, eGuru, pete_darby, Bankuei, M. J. Young, contracycle.

3/14/2005 John Kim: Lumpley's take on 3D Model
OK, I read a post on Vincent Baker's blog anyway: Simulationism, an Ordeal. He draws a diagram with three slices labeled "Thematic Play", "Competitive Play", and unlabeled. Then…
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Participants: John Kim, Marco, Emily Care, timfire, lumpley, Shreyas Sampat.

3/13/2005 eGuru: intersection and/or near-convergence of Premise-addressing?
Narr play and Sim play may result in play which is very much alike -- because the Exploration in each can push to similar outcomes, through like but different Creative…
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Participants: eGuru, Simon Kamber, JMendes, Ron Edwards, Gaerik.

3/13/2005 Marco: The Nature of Premise
Jay says his game is Simulationist. He may be right about that. What I think though, is that in his description of the question of his duty-vs-friendship issue if there's…
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Participants: Marco.

3/5/2005 Daredevil: Two Questions for Narrativism
There are two questions being posed in this thread. 1) Is an overt, clear statement of Premise before play a prerequisite for Narrativist play? 2) When does a GM's positive…
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Participants: Daredevil, Bankuei, Simon Kamber, JMendes, timfire.

3/5/2005 Daredevil: Conflict vs Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism
In Ron's essay "Narrativism: Story Now", under heading "System - 'it does matter' all over again", Ron talks about task vs. conflict resolution. I submit…
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Participants: Daredevil, xenopulse, Irmo, WhiteRat, Eero Tuovinen, Landon Darkwood, Ron Edwards, paulkdad, Valamir, timfire, John Kim, MatrixGamer, Caldis.

3/4/2005 Simon Kamber: Narrativism? Simulationism?
I've been trying to get a grip on the big model for quite a while now. While I think I've gotten most of it, there's still an issue that keeps…
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Participants: Simon Kamber, JMendes, Bankuei, Victor Gijsbers, John Burdick, Joe Dizzy, Artanis, komradebob, Alan, Marco, apparition13.

3/2/2005 Marco: Meaningful Actions
[quote][b]Caldis wrote[/b] Take a look back at the example I gave earlier. The characters all end up taking on a mission that doesnt really have a lot of meaning to…
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Participants: Marco, Bankuei, Mark Woodhouse, Caldis, contracycle.

3/1/2005 shaheddy: Raymond Chandler and GNS
I don't have a question really, nor am I sure this is the proper place to post this, but here goes. I just wanted to share the following fascinating passage…
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Participants: shaheddy, TonyLB, Artanis, Caldis, Thor, timfire, Jasper, Vaxalon, Dev.

3/1/2005 groundhog: An effort to un-gum the un-gumming
In An effort to un-gum the Discussion, I put forth some thoughts on Sim that Chris Lehrich said he'd have to read carefully and would comment on later. Well, it's…
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Participants: groundhog, Bankuei, Rob Carriere, M. J. Young.

2/26/2005 bastion-b: The lowdown on UA, quick and dirty!
Hey dudes! I had a discussion about this with a fellow gamer who is even less GNS-savy than me. That is, he knows about the basic wide aspects of the…
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Participants: bastion-b, Rob MacDougall, Bankuei, Ron Edwards.

2/23/2005 Marco: Address vs. Bricolage
Okay, I've read the latest threads and I have tried to figure out if: (a) they have changed my understanding of GNS Sim vs. GNS Nar (b) they have changed…
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Participants: Marco, contracycle, Ron Edwards, JMendes, Ian Charvill, M. J. Young, Valamir, Caldis, Silmenume, Landon Darkwood.

2/15/2005 apparition13: walking on limbs (split from 1/3 baked)
Ron Edwards wrote: One of the key "tells" of a particular sort of Sim play is to be willing to drop investment in the current imagined situation for a while…
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Participants: apparition13, M. J. Young.

2/9/2005 Joe Dizzy: [InSpectres] Explain it to me, please
Hello everybody, I've read a few AP threads on InSpectres and the comments made by Ron Edwards and Jared Sorensen have shown me that I *really* don't get this game.…
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Participants: Joe Dizzy, Paganini, Bankuei, Jared A. Sorensen, Ron Edwards.

2/8/2005 lev_lafayette: Three cheers to imaginative gamist players!
In the thread Early roleplaying and the interpretation of scripture, I just made the comparison between simulation priests, narrative wizards and gamist mystics. The basic point was that the…
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Participants: lev_lafayette, Bankuei, komradebob, S'mon, Ron Edwards.

2/4/2005 Silmenume: 1/3rd baked idea about Situation and Sim
[blort] If Sim is “about” the creation of meaningful interrelationships of its constituent parts (Character and Setting – Man vs himself in the former and Man vs mankind and Man…
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Participants: Silmenume, Ron Edwards, clehrich, Valamir, apparition13, Caldis, Mike Holmes, contracycle, Marco, ffilz, Sean, M. J. Young, Doctor Xero, Maarzan.

2/1/2005 Green: reconciling different CAs within a group
There has been a lot of talk at the Forge about how the system influences playing. As a result, a lot of the discussion of roleplaying has centered on roleplaying…
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Participants: Green, Bankuei, Marco, Paul Czege.

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4/10/2005 Asteele: Narrtivist mechanic in a simulist game.
First post, so partial ignorance here. I was hoping for advice for a way to add a narrtivist touch to a (basically sim) l5r game. What I was thinking was…
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Participants: Asteele, Shreyas Sampat, Bankuei, Jasper.

4/10/2005 Green: is CA game-dependent?
I suppose I should just jump down into it. A note before I start: When I say "game," I mean it in the context of the actual play of the…
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Participants: Green, Ron Edwards.

4/11/2005 Gaerik: Goals and G/N and S
Greetings, I'm either about to have one of my "Duh!" moments or one of my "God, you missed the whole damn boat!" moments. So, please, bear with me (all you…
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Participants: Gaerik, contracycle, Troy_Costisick, Ron Edwards, JMendes, Bob the Fighter, daMoose_Neo, Rob MacDougall, Gordon C. Landis, Silmenume, bcook1971.

4/11/2005 MatrixGamer: Matrix Games: Gamist, Narrativist, and Sim
I've never posted a topic before but here goes. Since 1988 I've been working on Matrix Games. The basic rules mechanism is VERY simple. Each turn players say what they…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, Shreyas Sampat, Ron Edwards, contracycle, Valamir, Grover, Emily Care.

4/13/2005 Noon: Rifts is a narrativist game?
Rifts is a narrativist game? From a recent thread, I've come to some disturbing conclusions about the game Rifts and other games like it, (the whole line of thought originally…
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Participants: Noon, Bankuei, greyorm, Ron Edwards, John Kim, groundhog.

4/14/2005 greyorm: Devotion to Lifestyle is Narrativist?
Split from Rifts is a narrativist game?, since I did not want to derail that thread with a tangential topic. I can see how "justifying my character's lifestyle" can…
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Participants: greyorm.

4/15/2005 Simon Marks: What is Exploration?
I've read all the articles, and I have tried to read all the boards - but there is a lot here. My current stumbling block is "Exploration" and ... well,…
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Participants: Simon Marks, pete_darby, Alan, MatrixGamer, Ron Edwards.

4/18/2005 MatrixGamer: Recognizable Patterns - Simulation
Simulationists want to completely immerce themselves in their characters role (did I get that right?) Kind of like method acting. You could call them Methodists but that names already been…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, Ron Edwards.

4/19/2005 MatrixGamer: Therapist stance in role playing
Since one of the goals of this forum is to move towards a theory of role playing it is necessary to look back at role playing's roots - in psychotherapy.…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, komradebob, Paul Czege, Emily Care, Marco, Ron Edwards, Gordon C. Landis, Grover, Sean, groundhog, Blankshield, John Kim.

4/25/2005 Paganini: Exploration Is *REALLY* King - or - System Doesn't Matter As
This was also posted on my LJ blog. A while back on IRC I said something along the lines of "I can enjoy any game, regardless of GNS, providing that…
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Participants: Paganini, greyorm, pete_darby, Ron Edwards, Victor Gijsbers, groundhog, Gordon C. Landis, Eero Tuovinen, TonyLB, Valamir, Paka, Gaerik, Ben Lehman, Simon Marks, John Kim, Walt Freitag, Silmenume, lev_lafayette.

4/25/2005 darrick: Narrativist/Director Stance/Diceless essays wanted
hey guys, i'm putting together a self-published book using Lulu.com... 1. why Narrativist/Director (possibly some Actor included as well) Stance/Diceless approach to gaming is the best (or better). 2. examples…
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Participants: darrick, Jonathan Walton, Alan, Ron Edwards, Ben Lehman, komradebob.

4/27/2005 dancross: GNS
I'm curious to know if my attempt to merge Robin Law's Player types with the GNS theory is at all successful, or if I am simply befuddled (which is possible)...…
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Participants: dancross, Ben Lehman, greyorm, Troy_Costisick, Bankuei, Ron Edwards, Vaxalon.

4/29/2005 MatrixGamer: Obstructionists in games - is it a creative agenda?
Okay, I've slept on it and I've noticed that there are some people who play games - who are following "Other social agendas" but who do play as opposed to…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, Gaerik, TonyLB, Ron Edwards, Ben Lehman, John Kim, Bankuei, Alan, komradebob, Valamir, paulkdad, Vaxalon.

5/10/2005 John Kim: More on Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism
OK, so this is split from Conflict vs Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism. That topic was closed, but I think there were still a lot of issues and good…
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Participants: John Kim, TonyLB, Valamir, Ron Edwards, lumpley, Lee Short, Silmenume, M. J. Young.

5/11/2005 Ben Lehman: Topics and GNS
This is my 1001st post on the Forge and, as usual, I have a crazy idea about the internal structure of some theoretical construct. *ahem* Topics and GNS I'd like…
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Participants: Ben Lehman, matthijs, pete_darby, killacozzy, Alan, Ron Edwards, beingfrank, M. J. Young, Christopher Kubasik, ethan_greer, Gordon C. Landis.

5/11/2005 Sean: Gamism, Narrativism, and Gestalt Shift
A long time ago, I encountered GNS talk on rpg.net, conducted with the usual highly nuanced and accurate phrasing that prevails over there. I naturally got confused about the definition…
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Participants: Sean, Ron Edwards, Gordon C. Landis, xenopulse, Noon, contracycle, Mike Holmes, M. J. Young.

5/20/2005 John Kim: Is non-violence bad for Narrativism?
I am taking this to a theory thread, Non-violent Roleplaying. That thread is about how to support and encourage non-violent roleplaying. This thread is about whether it is a…
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Participants: John Kim, Andrew Morris, Gaerik, Mike Holmes, Noon, Troy_Costisick, Victor Gijsbers.

5/21/2005 mister.ribbit: Pointers to specifc RPGs
Hi, I, like many people, started RPing long ago when I was very young, and naturally fell into what seems to be Gamist play. Now that I've suddenly become interested…
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Participants: mister.ribbit, Bankuei, Simon Kamber.

5/31/2005 Domhnall: 'Immersionist' rather than 'Sim...'?
I've been reading through past posts regarding Sim. I am a bit confused as to why Sim is not instead titled "Immersionist" as it seems closer to the mark. As…
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Participants: Domhnall, Eero Tuovinen, GB Steve, TonyLB, M. J. Young.

5/31/2005 Simon Kamber: Early death in Nar games.
This thread is started as a follow-up to Life and death conflicts on the Lumpley Games forum. It's started because while I was referring to a specific chapter in the…
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Participants: Simon Kamber, Alan, Eero Tuovinen, TonyLB, lumpley, Noon, Sean.

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