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4/15/2005 Simon Marks: What is Exploration?
I've read all the articles, and I have tried to read all the boards - but there is a lot here. My current stumbling block is "Exploration" and ... well,…
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Participants: Simon Marks, pete_darby, Alan, MatrixGamer, Ron Edwards.

4/14/2005 greyorm: Devotion to Lifestyle is Narrativist?
Split from Rifts is a narrativist game?, since I did not want to derail that thread with a tangential topic. I can see how "justifying my character's lifestyle" can…
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Participants: greyorm.

4/13/2005 Noon: Rifts is a narrativist game?
Rifts is a narrativist game? From a recent thread, I've come to some disturbing conclusions about the game Rifts and other games like it, (the whole line of thought originally…
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Participants: Noon, Bankuei, greyorm, Ron Edwards, John Kim, groundhog.

4/11/2005 MatrixGamer: Matrix Games: Gamist, Narrativist, and Sim
I've never posted a topic before but here goes. Since 1988 I've been working on Matrix Games. The basic rules mechanism is VERY simple. Each turn players say what they…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, Shreyas Sampat, Ron Edwards, contracycle, Valamir, Grover, Emily Care.

4/11/2005 Gaerik: Goals and G/N and S
Greetings, I'm either about to have one of my "Duh!" moments or one of my "God, you missed the whole damn boat!" moments. So, please, bear with me (all you…
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Participants: Gaerik, contracycle, Troy_Costisick, Ron Edwards, JMendes, Bob the Fighter, daMoose_Neo, Rob MacDougall, Gordon C. Landis, Silmenume, bcook1971.

4/10/2005 Green: is CA game-dependent?
I suppose I should just jump down into it. A note before I start: When I say "game," I mean it in the context of the actual play of the…
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Participants: Green, Ron Edwards.

4/10/2005 Asteele: Narrtivist mechanic in a simulist game.
First post, so partial ignorance here. I was hoping for advice for a way to add a narrtivist touch to a (basically sim) l5r game. What I was thinking was…
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Participants: Asteele, Shreyas Sampat, Bankuei, Jasper.

4/1/2005 Simon Marks: Modes of Play
Simon here, long time lurker, first time poster. I am posting in regards to a question I have regarding *how* you play, as opposed to *why* you play - so…
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Participants: Simon Marks, Alan, TonyLB, Kat Miller, Sydney Freedberg, Ron Edwards, M. J. Young, Walt Freitag, contracycle.

3/28/2005 sirogit: Expansion of the game-division list in the Nar Essay
I'm not 100% if this is an appropiate post. I'd really like to see an expanded version of that game-divsvion-list-thingy in the Nar essay featuring more games, either in this…
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Participants: sirogit, Ron Edwards, Victor Gijsbers.

3/20/2005 giblfiz: What is the love of Character creation under GNS?
Several of my friends, and I, particularly enjoy the act of character creation. There is a tendency to like it more for crunchier systems, which I suppose isn't all that…
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Participants: giblfiz, timfire, greyorm, Ron Edwards, M. J. Young, Noon.

3/18/2005 Gordon C. Landis: One opinion on why and how GNS matters [Essay]
This essay/post will (hopefully) serve three purposes. First, I think that why and how GNS matters (that is, how it's useful in creating and playing enjoyable games) is often misunderstood.…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis.

3/14/2005 Kat Miller: "Let's play house" A Model For Simulationism
I posted this Last week but it became carnage for the hacker: I’ve been trying to better understand Simulationism. I’ve read the Essay but while I understood the words the…
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Participants: Kat Miller, Ron Edwards, Sydney Freedberg, eGuru, pete_darby, Bankuei, M. J. Young, contracycle.

3/14/2005 John Kim: Lumpley's take on 3D Model
OK, I read a post on Vincent Baker's blog anyway: Simulationism, an Ordeal. He draws a diagram with three slices labeled "Thematic Play", "Competitive Play", and unlabeled. Then…
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Participants: John Kim, Marco, Emily Care, timfire, lumpley, Shreyas Sampat.

3/13/2005 eGuru: intersection and/or near-convergence of Premise-addressing?
Narr play and Sim play may result in play which is very much alike -- because the Exploration in each can push to similar outcomes, through like but different Creative…
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Participants: eGuru, Simon Kamber, JMendes, Ron Edwards, Gaerik.

3/13/2005 Marco: The Nature of Premise
Jay says his game is Simulationist. He may be right about that. What I think though, is that in his description of the question of his duty-vs-friendship issue if there's…
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Participants: Marco.

3/5/2005 Daredevil: Two Questions for Narrativism
There are two questions being posed in this thread. 1) Is an overt, clear statement of Premise before play a prerequisite for Narrativist play? 2) When does a GM's positive…
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Participants: Daredevil, Bankuei, Simon Kamber, JMendes, timfire.

3/5/2005 Daredevil: Conflict vs Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism
In Ron's essay "Narrativism: Story Now", under heading "System - 'it does matter' all over again", Ron talks about task vs. conflict resolution. I submit…
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Participants: Daredevil, xenopulse, Irmo, WhiteRat, Eero Tuovinen, Landon Darkwood, Ron Edwards, paulkdad, Valamir, timfire, John Kim, MatrixGamer, Caldis.

3/4/2005 Simon Kamber: Narrativism? Simulationism?
I've been trying to get a grip on the big model for quite a while now. While I think I've gotten most of it, there's still an issue that keeps…
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Participants: Simon Kamber, JMendes, Bankuei, Victor Gijsbers, John Burdick, Joe Dizzy, Artanis, komradebob, Alan, Marco, apparition13.

3/2/2005 Marco: Meaningful Actions
[quote][b]Caldis wrote[/b] Take a look back at the example I gave earlier. The characters all end up taking on a mission that doesnt really have a lot of meaning to…
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Participants: Marco, Bankuei, Mark Woodhouse, Caldis, contracycle.

3/1/2005 shaheddy: Raymond Chandler and GNS
I don't have a question really, nor am I sure this is the proper place to post this, but here goes. I just wanted to share the following fascinating passage…
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Participants: shaheddy, TonyLB, Artanis, Caldis, Thor, timfire, Jasper, Vaxalon, Dev.

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4/19/2005 MatrixGamer: Therapist stance in role playing
Since one of the goals of this forum is to move towards a theory of role playing it is necessary to look back at role playing's roots - in psychotherapy.…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, komradebob, Paul Czege, Emily Care, Marco, Ron Edwards, Gordon C. Landis, Grover, Sean, groundhog, Blankshield, John Kim.

4/25/2005 Paganini: Exploration Is *REALLY* King - or - System Doesn't Matter As
This was also posted on my LJ blog. A while back on IRC I said something along the lines of "I can enjoy any game, regardless of GNS, providing that…
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Participants: Paganini, greyorm, pete_darby, Ron Edwards, Victor Gijsbers, groundhog, Gordon C. Landis, Eero Tuovinen, TonyLB, Valamir, Paka, Gaerik, Ben Lehman, Simon Marks, John Kim, Walt Freitag, Silmenume, lev_lafayette.

4/25/2005 darrick: Narrativist/Director Stance/Diceless essays wanted
hey guys, i'm putting together a self-published book using Lulu.com... 1. why Narrativist/Director (possibly some Actor included as well) Stance/Diceless approach to gaming is the best (or better). 2. examples…
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Participants: darrick, Jonathan Walton, Alan, Ron Edwards, Ben Lehman, komradebob.

4/27/2005 dancross: GNS
I'm curious to know if my attempt to merge Robin Law's Player types with the GNS theory is at all successful, or if I am simply befuddled (which is possible)...…
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Participants: dancross, Ben Lehman, greyorm, Troy_Costisick, Bankuei, Ron Edwards, Vaxalon.

4/29/2005 MatrixGamer: Obstructionists in games - is it a creative agenda?
Okay, I've slept on it and I've noticed that there are some people who play games - who are following "Other social agendas" but who do play as opposed to…
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Participants: MatrixGamer, Gaerik, TonyLB, Ron Edwards, Ben Lehman, John Kim, Bankuei, Alan, komradebob, Valamir, paulkdad, Vaxalon.

5/10/2005 John Kim: More on Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism
OK, so this is split from Conflict vs Task Resolution to facilitate Narrativism. That topic was closed, but I think there were still a lot of issues and good…
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Participants: John Kim, TonyLB, Valamir, Ron Edwards, lumpley, Lee Short, Silmenume, M. J. Young.

5/11/2005 Ben Lehman: Topics and GNS
This is my 1001st post on the Forge and, as usual, I have a crazy idea about the internal structure of some theoretical construct. *ahem* Topics and GNS I'd like…
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Participants: Ben Lehman, matthijs, pete_darby, killacozzy, Alan, Ron Edwards, beingfrank, M. J. Young, Christopher Kubasik, ethan_greer, Gordon C. Landis.

5/11/2005 Sean: Gamism, Narrativism, and Gestalt Shift
A long time ago, I encountered GNS talk on rpg.net, conducted with the usual highly nuanced and accurate phrasing that prevails over there. I naturally got confused about the definition…
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Participants: Sean, Ron Edwards, Gordon C. Landis, xenopulse, Noon, contracycle, Mike Holmes, M. J. Young.

5/20/2005 John Kim: Is non-violence bad for Narrativism?
I am taking this to a theory thread, Non-violent Roleplaying. That thread is about how to support and encourage non-violent roleplaying. This thread is about whether it is a…
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Participants: John Kim, Andrew Morris, Gaerik, Mike Holmes, Noon, Troy_Costisick, Victor Gijsbers.

5/21/2005 mister.ribbit: Pointers to specifc RPGs
Hi, I, like many people, started RPing long ago when I was very young, and naturally fell into what seems to be Gamist play. Now that I've suddenly become interested…
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Participants: mister.ribbit, Bankuei, Simon Kamber.

5/31/2005 Domhnall: 'Immersionist' rather than 'Sim...'?
I've been reading through past posts regarding Sim. I am a bit confused as to why Sim is not instead titled "Immersionist" as it seems closer to the mark. As…
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Participants: Domhnall, Eero Tuovinen, GB Steve, TonyLB, M. J. Young.

5/31/2005 Simon Kamber: Early death in Nar games.
This thread is started as a follow-up to Life and death conflicts on the Lumpley Games forum. It's started because while I was referring to a specific chapter in the…
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Participants: Simon Kamber, Alan, Eero Tuovinen, TonyLB, lumpley, Noon, Sean.

5/31/2005 Melinglor: One of these things is REALLY not like the others. . .
OK, I'm a newcomer to the forge, having stumbled onto the Lumply site and from there meandered over to here, and read up on a bunch of Ron Edwards' essays.…
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Participants: Melinglor, Valamir, Noon, komradebob, Alan, John Kim, Sean, GB Steve, Troy_Costisick, ethan_greer, Eero Tuovinen, Ron Edwards, M. J. Young, Mike Holmes.

6/1/2005 Gaerik: GNS and Capes
If this post should go in another forum, please, move it. In this thread... Tony's Standard Rant Tony stated that Capes was a heavily Narrativist system. While I have not…
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Participants: Gaerik, TonyLB, jburneko, Miskatonic.

6/1/2005 jburneko: Portrait Play, a subset of The Dream?
Hello, I had started this thread http://www.indie-rpgs.com/viewtopic.php?t=15488 over in Actual Play in an effort to get to the bottom of a particular player's behavior. Here are some choice quotes from…
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Participants: jburneko, Noon, Bret Gillan, Danny_K, Brand_Robins, timfire, Eero Tuovinen, Mike Holmes, Adam Dray, komradebob, John Kim.

6/2/2005 Remko: Which RPG-type (based on GNS) do I seek?
This has loosely spawned from this topic. The answers given about the difference between Nar/Gam and Sim didn't sit too well on me. Basically, I'm asking myself:"What type of RPG…
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Participants: Remko, Victor Gijsbers, timfire, xenopulse.

6/5/2005 IMAGinES: [Primetime Adventures] Premise: Established vs. Emergent?
Hello, everyone. This is the first thread I've ever started on the Forge, so I hope you'll forgive me if this thread was started in the wrong place for its…
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Participants: IMAGinES, Alan, Melinglor, Matt Wilson, TonyLB, ricmadeira.

6/12/2005 Caldis: Rules, setting, system and high concept vs purist for system
In Rpg Theory Valamir presented this thread, Setting as rules . The concept was well received and seemed to go uncontested but it got me thinking. If setting material…
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Participants: Caldis, Ron Edwards.

6/15/2005 Victor Gijsbers: Narrativism and Judgement
[b]Introduction[/b] Shirley Hawthorn has little contact with her two sisters and even less with her dying father, who was overly critical and quite unsympathetic to her during her youth. Now,…
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Participants: Victor Gijsbers, TonyLB, Gaerik, Sean, pete_darby, John Kim, Troy_Costisick, Eva Deinum, Remko, Artanis, M. J. Young.

7/1/2005 Ian Charvill: Theme: Subject, Thesis & Hypothesis
Theme is analogue not digital. The word slips on the page, like the typewriter ribbon was soaked in mercury. It will not stay put. Theme is subject – a thing.…
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Participants: Ian Charvill, Marco.

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