you are not killing puppies for satan--you are killing puppies for your own sick, warped mind--Get a life you jerk--San Quentin is where you belong-You are one of them low- trashy people--Nothing to do but kill puppies--Why dont you give people a break and kill your own sick self--You low down creep--Get a life--Try to kill a pitbull that is grown--He will lock into your ass and finally rip your low life throat--People like you makes this world more sicker--You and Hitler must be brothers--Get a life you crud - cesspool of the world--Saddam Huessin is more humane than you are--Pick on a grown pitbull--You are scared arent you--He will rest your ass in peace. I respect a terrorist more--At least he will kill his low life self--You dumb punk moron--

Why dont you try killing a grown pitbull? He would rip you sick throat and drag you down the street--It couldnt happen to a nicer guy--Please try a grown pitbull for one time--Then you would not be able to post you sick minded stuff on here--In fact i will bring a grown pitbull to you and watch him tear your sick ass throat--Then drag your remains down the street--It amazes me how your kind hides behind the scene--Why not tell people where you live? You are scared arent you? For once try a grown pitbull--Female or male--It doesnt matter--Just as long as it gets your throat--You would be screaming you ass off--Noone would do nothing but laugh--Die you sick ass--Do me a favor--Try a pitbull for your sick ass desire--You creep of a so called human being--In fact i have a pittbull--Just give me your address and i will bring him out--And dont say satan made you do it--You did it for your own stupid desires--You scum of the earth--

Hello,

Vincent, I split this from its recent posting to we killed puppies for satan over to this forum, which I hope is the right place for it.

Right? Um, well, "appropriate" anyway. Since posts like this are data for you, I figured the Inactive File wasn't its first destination.

Best,
Ron

Check it out! Hitler in one! Thread's over!

We really shouldn't response to this, but, man, it's too fun. (And it's about my experience playing it, so...)

Anyway, I'm in New Orleans. And I love the doggies. Drop me an e-mail if you're ever in town and I'll pet your dog and run a game for you. You really shouldn't encourage pitbulls to attack people, though. They're sweet dogs, but their reputation as baby-killers gets them put in the pound and killed all the time.

Wow, this guy REALLY likes pitbulls.

And fragment sentences. I'd say he's more fond of those.

Besides, I could take a pitbull, easy.

I'm just stunned that somebody *actually created a BBS account* just to post angry Puppies feedback. That's gotta be a first. I mean, I knew Lumpley games brought people into the indie RPG community, but this is a whole new angle on that.

ejh wrote: I'm just stunned that somebody *actually created a BBS account* just to post angry Puppies feedback. That's gotta be a first. I mean, I knew Lumpley games brought people into the indie RPG community, but this is a whole new angle on that.

It's definitely odd that someone would go through the trouble, but not really surprising. It's not like it's a massive amount of effort to create an account here.

Still, despite his flagrant disregard for grammar or making a point, I can definitely see his perspective. I *know* what Puppies is about, generally, and I find myself incredibly indisposed to want to play it. There's a rancid viciousness to it that turns my stomach, even though I find Actual Play posts interesting and amusing. I know that's totally the point, which should make me want to play it, but it's a very visceral reaction.

Someone, coming here from a link, or a random recommendation, doesn't have any context to appreciate KPfS. They likely have no idea what sort of games are made here, or any background on the game itself. They just see this post with a repugnant title, and probably read a few lines, at most, before being so disgusted that they had to vent their spleen.

I'm not saying they're justified. You should read everything in a thread, and get some background before commenting. But it's understandable.

Screw kpfs, I want to play that Pitbull game!

Chris Geisel wrote: Screw kpfs, I want to play that Pitbull game!

What I want to know is if the person is even aware that it was a game being discussed. Or if he thought we're a bunch of psychos who like to kill puppies. I'm reading and rereading the post, and I think they just read the title and posted an angry response without bothering to read the rest of the thread and determine the actual subject of discussion.

I think it could easily be read either way. Unless he's a total idiot, he ought to have known that he was on a website involving roleplaying games, but it is possible that he still failed to realize that it was a game being discussed.

However, it's just about as likely that his response would have been much the same if he'd known it was a game. For the crowd that thinks D&D is entry-level devil worship, KPfS would be nothing more than vindication and proof of their beliefs. For people who've had to tell ignorant friends and family that it's not like that, KPfS might be vastly more offensive.

Hello,

I could be mis-reading, but I'm beginning to get the idea that some folks posting aren't familiar with Vincent's ongoing collection of puppies-oriented hatemail at his site. This is a fairly typical example, with the only notable details being the pit-bull obsession and the fact that he posted here rather than send an email. The latter may only be a matter of which link his trembling fingers guided the mouse to, and that may well have included a randomizing component.

Anyway, I suggest that to get a better view of what's going on with this post, check out the Puppies site, peruse the mail archives there, and muse over Vincent's ... interesting categories-scheme. This one is a mere blip, believe me.

Best,
Ron

Forget that guy, where can I get this Pitbull game? Also, can I convert other games to include pitbulls?

Pitbulls in the Vineyard?

Well, hate. Huh. Thanks for moving it down here, Ron. This person's definitely "kill puppies."

Is anybody going to acknowledge Lance's point? He's sure got one.

I like "rancid viciousness," by the way. It's like regular viciousness, only the flavor of it stays in your mouth when you taste it to see if it's still good. I'm flattered.

Also, pit bulls are the baddest dogs.

-Vincent

Hiya,

Which point of Lance's do you mean, Vincent? The one about how this guy took the trouble actually to register? I don't find that very difficult to understand, and suggest that it was only a matter of time, based on my reading of the many emails you've collected.

I suggest that a lot of people visit your site due to a web search based on "pretty puppies" or perhaps "animal cruelty," probably out of the widespread preteen obsession with these issues. They're searching primarily in order to be outraged. Then they see the Google link kill puppies for satan among all the others.

They're already reacting to that before they even click on it. By the time your site loads on their screen, they're already composing (if that's the right word) their hysterical comments. They do not even process the idea that it's a role-playing activity that you're talking about, or look for any context at all, nor do they care. Anything they see (the color text, etc) is only processed in light of something they've already constructed in their heads - that you are advocating the real-life torture of pets in the name of diabolic worship.

Then they hit the email button (or in this guy's case, the link to the forum) and they're off to the races. In this guy's case, the energy was running high enough to power him right through the registration process, which really isn't all that hard to imagine. Based on the other letters you've received, I'm certain the same would have occurred if the authors had hit the forums button instead of the email one.

Best,
Ron

Oh yeah, absolutely. It's not even the first hate here; there was a post ... uh ... can't find it, in some other early puppies thread, somebody registered just to accuse my game of being the reason that we geeks will never be accepted by society. If anything I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more.

No, I meant Lance's point that the game is offensive.

Here, let me say how this conversation sometimes goes.
Hater: I hate! HATE!
Me: We don't really kill puppies, y'know. We sit around a table and talk is all.
Hater: Really?
Me: Yep.
Hater: Oh. Well that's okay then.
Me: Yep.
Hater: But why? And why did you set things up on purpose to provoke me? Didn't you know I'd be outraged? Did you mean to scare me? Was it so that I'd feel stupid and you could feel superior to me afterward, like now? Do you like being hated? I'm confused, but I'm pretty sure that you're the one with a problem, not me. Aren't you?

You and I, Ron, I think we like to gross and/or freak ourselves out occasionally. I don't know about you but if I go too long without disturbing myself I get unhappy. Lance and other people, maybe not so much.

-Vincent

I don't know Vincent. I think there are some people who need assurances that the world is a big, dark, scary place. And they actually seek out evidence so that they can defensively respond to it. Maybe it's their way of shedding light in dark corners. The hate and vitriol I can sort of understand; it's the deliberate seeking out behavior that's beyond me. It's not like you or anyone else deliberately pushed that play description to that particular person.

Now, I know the world is a big, dark, scary place. And finding the small, dark, scary place in my own soul is what makes me feel more at home.

Julie

Wolfen wrote: Still, despite his flagrant disregard for grammar or making a point, I can definitely see his perspective. I *know* what Puppies is about, generally, and I find myself incredibly indisposed to want to play it. There's a rancid viciousness to it that turns my stomach, even though I find Actual Play posts interesting and amusing. I know that's totally the point, which should make me want to play it, but it's a very visceral reaction.

Quozl hits on it pretty squarely. However, I think maybe there's another bit to it that the latter series of posts brings me to think about.

I have a dark, twisted side. Who doesn't? I know that my morals and my values depict the way I act, but in the darkest hours, when there are none to see me (except, of course for He who sees all) I have taken amusement in my darker sides. When day rolls around again, and my morals and values reassert themselves, I'm ashamed of that darkness, disgusted by it.

Frankly, Killing Puppies for Satan is disgusting, but it's not a patch. The game is about delving that darker side though, and to be honest, I don't know that I want to explore it. I'm fairly sure I don't want to explore it where other people can see.

Hiya,

My actual play posts are relevant to your point, Lance, because I really dislike the graphic animal-torture. Watching it, thinking about it, etc. So playing puppies has no element of catharsis for me, or even "look within my soul to find the nastiness there," or anything like that.

Fortunately the game offers more than that, eventually, which is why I always emphasize that it's the real-person disgust with the characters which drives play (rather than any form of identification whatsoever), and also why I won't have anything to do with it in demo or one-shot play.

Best,
Ron

Brand_Robins wrote:
Kill Scum with Pitbulls containts:

- Full rules for breeding and raising your Pitbull. You can make it as nice or as vicious as you want!