Topic: Revised Revised Edition of Conspiracy of Shadows?
Started by: abzu
Started on: 7/16/2005
Board: Bob Goat Press
On 7/16/2005 at 10:27pm, abzu wrote:
Revised Revised Edition of Conspiracy of Shadows?
Hi Keith,
I was reading your new version of Conspiracy of Shadows. You know, the small digest-sized one. It's red, with a circular, abstract logo on the cover. You know the one, I'm sure.
And I noticed in the Influences you omitted The Burning Wheel from the list.
So when are you going to come out with a Revised Revised Edition?
sincerely,
-Luke
On 7/16/2005 at 10:33pm, drozdal wrote:
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Keith, speaking about revised revised edition of CoS, I would really appreciate my name spelled right on page 44!
On 7/17/2005 at 2:29pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Luke,
Burning Wheel gets my personal statement of influence on me game. When a muther fucker picks it up, I got up in his grill and yell, "Dude! What the fuck you buying here? Go get fucking Burning Wheel man! I totally ripped it off!"
Seriously though. If your ass creates an internet war for me, I'll fucking draw you on the cover of my next game and dedicate the fucker to you!
;D
Keith
On 7/17/2005 at 2:32pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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drozdal wrote:
Keith, speaking about revised revised edition of CoS, I would really appreciate my name spelled right on page 44!
Droz,
Sweet. You caught that. I thought I would slip shit like that in where I could. Now your famous man. Fucking like 10 people are going to know, "That's Droz and ask for your autograph!"
;D
Keith
On 7/17/2005 at 2:46pm, drozdal wrote:
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Bob wrote:drozdal wrote:
Keith, speaking about revised revised edition of CoS, I would really appreciate my name spelled right on page 44!
Droz,
Sweet. You caught that. I thought I would slip shit like that in where I could. Now your famous man. Fucking like 10 people are going to know, "That's Droz and ask for your autograph!"
;D
Keith
But......but.....You spelled my name wrong :'(
On 7/17/2005 at 2:52pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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drozdal wrote:
But......but.....You spelled my name wrong :'(
This means you get to introduce yourself as, "Hey I'm Droz. You see that tall asshole over there with the sunglasses on. That fuck job spelled my name wrong in his book. No seriously, it is here on page 44. Let me show you."
{flip, flip, flip}
"See. Fuck job. How's the game? I have no fucking clue, but buy it so I can sign it and point out what a fuck job the author is..."
;D
Keith
On 7/17/2005 at 3:04pm, abzu wrote:
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Bob wrote:
Luke,
Burning Wheel gets my personal statement of influence on me game. When a muther fucker picks it up, I got up in his grill and yell, "Dude! What the fuck you buying here? Go get fucking Burning Wheel man! I totally ripped it off!"
Seriously though. If your ass creates an internet war for me, I'll fucking draw you on the cover of my next game and dedicate the fucker to you!
;D
Keith
Keith, I was merely trying to be helpful and point out a small omission from your otherwise noteworthy text! Well, if this is how the designers of Conspiracy of Shadows treat their fans, I don't think I want anything further to do with that game or anything else Bob Goat publishes. I'm completely agnostic about Conspiracy of Spectres now. I won't be participating any further in this discussion. Or any others. Nor will I be able to recommend the game to my gaming group. We just have different priorities.
-L
On 7/17/2005 at 3:08pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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abzu wrote:
Keith, I was merely trying to be helpful and point out a small omission from your otherwise noteworthy text! Well, if this is how the designers of Conspiracy of Shadows treat their fans, I don't think I want anything further to do with that game or anything else Bob Goat publishes. I'm completely agnostic about Conspiracy of Spectres now. I won't be participating any further in this discussion. Or any others. Nor will I be able to recommend the game to my gaming group. We just have different priorities.
-L
Luke,
I almost pissed myself. Conspiracy of Spectres. Priceless.
You do realize, because I am PoD, when I my current stock runs out you are getting a special dedication and comments on how you felt slighted I felt the need to stop the tears...
;D
Keith
On 7/17/2005 at 3:21pm, abzu wrote:
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um...
On 7/17/2005 at 3:24pm, drozdal wrote:
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Bob wrote:
This means you get to introduce yourself as, "Hey I'm Droz. You see that tall asshole over there with the sunglasses on. That fuck job spelled my name wrong in his book. No seriously, it is here on page 44. Let me show you."
{flip, flip, flip}
"See. Fuck job. How's the game? I have no fucking clue, but buy it so I can sign it and point out what a fuck job the author is..."
;D
Keith
Dear Keith,
From what I just read I can clearly see that You have some serious personality issues. Why are you swearing like that all the time? I asked politely, and you answered with hatred, please next time you post give me a yes/no answer. (To help you with that here are two possible options: "Hey Droz, sorry for misspelling your name it will not happen again" or "No, according to my polish dictionary your name is spelled correctly".
On 7/17/2005 at 5:11pm, Valamir wrote:
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Color me lost.
Is this humor flying back and forth, or are people actually getting pissed?
On 7/17/2005 at 5:12pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Ralph,
Humor baby. All about the humor.
Keith
On 7/18/2005 at 12:44am, abzu wrote:
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Bob wrote:
when I my current stock runs out you are getting a special dedication and comments on how you felt slighted I felt the need to stop the tears...
Mr Senkowski,
I promised myself I wouldn't respond further to this thread, but your above statement has been bothering me since I read it and I felt I must comment. To wit: Don't you think you should be more concerned with other, more glaring, omissions in the text -- such as rules for damage from fire or falling -- rather than such trivial details as bibliographic entries. Frankly, your game, Delta Conspiracy, is incomplete without such rules -- further damaging any endorsement I could ever conceive of giving.
-Luke
On 7/18/2005 at 3:26pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Mr. Crane,
The terminal velocity rules will be included in the Conspiracy of Delta Green by way of the X-Files Companion. Said book will be out at GenCon. My appologies for forgeting such an important aspect of the game. I also plan on including lifepaths and a Grief Mechanic in said book.
How ya like me now!
Keith
On 7/18/2005 at 4:08pm, Paka wrote:
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This is going to confuse some poor mofo so very much.
On 7/18/2005 at 4:17pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Judd,
I want to meet that dude that gets confused so I can appologize for the behavior of Luke and Droz.
SNAP!
Keith
On 7/18/2005 at 5:56pm, Andrew Morris wrote:
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Paka wrote:
This is going to confuse some poor mofo so very much.
It already has. Color me a confused mofo.
On 7/18/2005 at 6:40pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Andrew wrote:
It already has. Color me a confused mofo.
I would like to appologize then for the behavior of Droz and Luke. Don't worry, they will get theirs.
Keith
On 7/18/2005 at 6:50pm, abzu wrote:
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Bob wrote:
The terminal velocity rules will be included in the Conspiracy of Delta Green by way of the X-Files Companion. Said book will be out at GenCon. My appologies for forgeting such an important aspect of the game. I also plan on including lifepaths and a Grief Mechanic in said book.
I'm shocked, Mr Senkowsky, shocked. You've handily illustrated one of the greatest drawbacks of the entire so-called "indie-rpg" movement: All of these games are the same -- they are born of the same incestuous design process as illustrated on this very site. Borrowing wholsesale from Burning Wheel is at once utterly predictable and wholly unnecessary, but it does fit the type of so-called innovation found here.
Yes, you've only affirmed my belief. I won't be purchasing the new edition of Revised Convocation of Shadows. Nor will I be purchasing anything from Luke Crane or Radek Drozdalski if this is the type of incestuous relationship your companies have.
-Luke
On 7/18/2005 at 9:55pm, Miskatonic wrote:
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When does the new Conspiracy Burner come out? Or had you not announced that one yet?
On 7/18/2005 at 10:17pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Larry wrote:
When does the new Conspiracy Burner come out? Or had you not announced that one yet?
The Conspiracy Burner will be done once I figure out how to stretch it into two books, one for creating the conspiracy and one for the rules on using them...
Keith "Not Afraid of Luke & Droz's Home Made Shivs" Senkowski
On 7/18/2005 at 10:22pm, Thor Olavsrud wrote:
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If you need an editor for your game, The Conspiracy of Wheels Fantasy Roleplaying System, just let me know...
On 7/18/2005 at 10:40pm, abzu wrote:
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Thor wrote:
If you need an editor for your game, The Conspiracy of Wheels Fantasy Roleplaying System, just let me know...
Traitor!
::begins sharpening two toothbrushes against the concrete wall::
On 7/19/2005 at 5:39am, drozdal wrote:
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Bob wrote:
Mr. Crane,
The terminal velocity rules will be included in the Conspiracy of Delta Green by way of the X-Files Companion. Said book will be out at GenCon. My appologies for forgeting such an important aspect of the game. I also plan on including lifepaths and a Grief Mechanic in said book.
How ya like me now!
Keith
Dear Mr. Senkowski (at this point you can clearly see, that i've checked your last name with my polish dictionary, and spelled it correctly, unlike some other people posting in this thread)
But back to the matter, are you planning on releasing said suppelement in PDF format or rather as a printed one? But this point I have to say that I'm very curious about Your approach on the matter of velocity rules.
On 7/19/2005 at 1:19pm, Miskatonic wrote:
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wrote: Bu this point I have to say that I'm very curious about Your approach on the matter of velocity rules.
As one of the privileged playtesters of said rules, I can attest they're very innovative. Each round of falling is divided into three phases. Before the round, each player secretly checks off whether he will Scream, Flail, or Fall (do nothing.) Then, all physics are resolved simultaneously. It really captures the chaos of falling like no other RPG before. It's a brilliant mechanic, and one I am assured is wholely original.
On 7/19/2005 at 1:28pm, Thor Olavsrud wrote:
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Larry wrote:
As one of the privileged playtesters of said rules, I can attest they're very innovative. Each round of falling is divided into three phases. Before the round, each player secretly checks off whether he will Scream, Flail, or Fall (do nothing.) Then, all physics are resolved simultaneously. It really captures the chaos of falling like no other RPG before. It's a brilliant mechanic, and one I am assured is wholely original.
I haven't read this rule, and certainly haven't played it, but I plan to villify you in all the forums I can. Clearly, if someone were stupid enough to use this rule, they'd be falling "blind." That's incredibly unrealistic, and frankly I'm shocked that even dimwits like you could write such a broken rule.
On 7/19/2005 at 2:10pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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drozdal wrote:
Dear Mr. Senkowski (at this point you can clearly see, that i've checked your last name with my polish dictionary, and spelled it correctly, unlike some other people posting in this thread)
But back to the matter, are you planning on releasing said suppelement in PDF format or rather as a printed one? Bu this point I have to say that I'm very curious about Your approach on the matter of velocity rules.
Dear Sir,
I am planning on releasing said supplement as an html document to appease Mike Holmes, since he likes them so much better than PDFs.
It should be noted that the velocity rules take into account terminal velocity. Also, the choice to fall is directly proportionate to an individuals grief rating, which subtracts from any hesitation brought on by a Steel test when choosing to leap into the air...
Keith
On 7/19/2005 at 2:29pm, urbwar wrote:
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So when does the Burning Conspiracy of the Shadow Wheel come out anyway?
On 7/19/2005 at 2:32pm, Clinton R. Nixon wrote:
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urbwar wrote:
So when does the Burning Conspiracy of the Shadow Wheel come out anyway?
What is this? Some kind of Asian supplement for the Conspiracy of Yesterday's Shadow? Because that's what we need: another poorly-done "like Japan, but different" game by some white guy from Chicago.
On 7/19/2005 at 2:34pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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urbwar wrote:
So when does the Burning Conspiracy of the Shadow Wheel come out anyway?
I am in the middle of negotiations with Thor for editing the monstrous tome (1,234 pages split into two books). I am also negotiating with Luke's Crane's posse so I can get flame war presence on RPG.net.
Keith
On 7/19/2005 at 2:36pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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Clinton wrote:
What is this? Some kind of Asian supplement for the Conspiracy of Yesterday's Shadow? Because that's what we need: another poorly-done "like Japan, but different" game by some white guy from Chicago.
Actually it is like Argentina but different. You see I exhaustively researched the history of South America and found the dynamic of Argentinian history perfect for my terminal velocity system, which was designed to be like The Shadow of Last Week, but better.
Keith
On 7/19/2005 at 2:39pm, urbwar wrote:
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another question: Will their be conversion notes to run Burning Conspiracy of the Shadow Wheel with Trollbabes in the Vineyard, My life with Abzu or Kill Puppies for the Charnel Gods?
On 7/19/2005 at 2:43pm, Clinton R. Nixon wrote:
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urbwar wrote:
My life with Abzu
Oh, man, timeout. That made me snort coffee straight through my nose. Holy shit. And Keith: "The Shadow of Last Week?" Awesome.
On 7/19/2005 at 2:44pm, urbwar wrote:
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Bob wrote:
You see I exhaustively researched the history of South America and found the dynamic of Argentinian history perfect for my terminal velocity system, which was designed to be like The Shadow of Last Week, but better.
Keith
Is the Shadow of Last Week anything like a week long Twelve O'Clock Shadow?
On 7/19/2005 at 2:45pm, Thor Olavsrud wrote:
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Clinton wrote:
Oh, man, timeout. That made me snort coffee straight through my nose. Holy shit. And Keith: "The Shadow of Last Week?" Awesome.
Dro and I actually contemplated a game of My Life with Abzu after playing My Life with Master with Mike Miller at last year's UberCon. Luke was not pleased.
On 7/19/2005 at 4:17pm, drozdal wrote:
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Thor wrote:Clinton wrote:
Oh, man, timeout. That made me snort coffee straight through my nose. Holy shit. And Keith: "The Shadow of Last Week?" Awesome.
Dro and I actually contemplated a game of My Life with Abzu after playing My Life with Master with Mike Miller at last year's UberCon. Luke was not pleased.
Clinton, we played MLWA using unnoficial LARP rules - that was the longest LARP I've ever played (and most painfull one too).
Who's that Luke guy anyway? Is he from Chicago?
On 7/19/2005 at 4:22pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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drozdal wrote: Who's that Luke guy anyway? Is he from Chicago?
Can't be. We don't serve his kind here. He'll have to wait outside with R2.
Keith
On 7/20/2005 at 1:36am, Matt Wilson wrote:
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I could never get into CoS. I didn't like the whole Scripted Conspiring thing.
Like, I put 'wink and nod' for the first volley, but then he writes 'wear tartan plaid and make hand gesture,' and fuck if I know how to resolve that.
On 7/20/2005 at 2:55am, drozdal wrote:
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Matt wrote:Matt, please wait for that Companion that supposedly is coming out on GenCon (I heard rumours, that Mr. Senkowsky will explain Scripted Conspiring more clearly in it).
I could never get into CoS. I didn't like the whole Scripted Conspiring thing.
Like, I put 'wink and nod' for the first volley, but then he writes 'wear tartan plaid and make hand gesture,' and fuck if I know how to resolve that.
On 7/21/2005 at 7:27pm, Miskatonic wrote:
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My sister's boyfriend's friend who works for Alliance(!) told me that Bob Goat, president of Bob Goat Games, got fired from the Forge for stealing ideas from Luke Wilson, creator of Bernie's Wheel RPG, and for not properly crediting his contributors.
On 7/21/2005 at 7:38pm, Thor Olavsrud wrote:
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Larry wrote:
My sister's boyfriend's friend who works for Alliance(!) told me that Bob Goat, president of Bob Goat Games, got fired from the Forge for stealing ideas from Luke Wilson, creator of Bernie's Wheel RPG, and for not properly crediting his contributors.
That asshole! I'm totally boycotting everything he and Luke Wilson put out.
On 7/21/2005 at 8:01pm, Bob Goat wrote:
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I can neither confirm or deny the firing of Bob Goat or the alleged plagerism of Luke Wilson's game, Bernie's Wheel. However, I am pleased to announce the release of:
Bernie's Wheel II
ernie may be dead, but he's still the life of the party!!
Keith
On 7/21/2005 at 9:35pm, Miskatonic wrote:
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Wait... wouldn't it sound better if you called it "Revised Edition?"
On 7/22/2005 at 4:00pm, drozdal wrote:
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Larry wrote:I'd roll with Two Bernie's Wheels
Wait... wouldn't it sound better if you called it "Revised Edition?"
On 7/22/2005 at 11:32pm, Marhault wrote:
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This has got to be the funniest damn thread on the Forge!
On 7/24/2005 at 1:42am, Bob Goat wrote:
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Marhault wrote:
This has got to be the funniest damn thread on the Forge!
It's because I take pride in my work, unlike those hobos over at Burning Yesterday's Shadow.
Keith