So, chatting with my players about "what this game is about", in preparation for making characters, a question came up.

One of my players was curious about demons.  Specifically, he was curious if his character could have a stormy relationship with a demon - the demon would have a name, the Dog would consider him an enemy, but the demon would want to tempt and claim the Dog personally.  This would lead to plenty of potential conflicts, one of which might be the "fall from grace" of his character, either because he resorts to doctrinally 'bad' practices to bind or destroy the demon, or because he gives in at some point to some degree.  I thought the idea was pretty good, but wasn't sure how it would play out in relation to everything else - especially because demons in the game often strike me as being more of an "allegorical force with teeth" than specific individuals in the setting.

However, he wanted to know if having something like that running in the background would interfere with the way the game is supposed to run and feel overall - a question I couldn't answer.

So.  From the point of view of more experience people with this particular game, would this be just plain good, or more trouble than it's worth?

Levi,

If I'm understanding you correctly, what your player is interested in doing is supported entirely by the rules.  You simply have to have the character take a relationship with the demon and then he's a sorcerer.  If he decides to call on the powers of the demon, he receives the same benefits any other sorcerer would.

Somewhere around here, I'm pretty sure there's an actual play account with a Dog who did exactly that.  I believe this is it:  http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/index.php?topic=14494.0

Let me know if that scratches your itch.

Regards,

Daniel

Levi,

Oh, in addition, remember that your Dogs can have relationships with sins.  Pay careful attention to how those relationships can be brought into play, as it might also cover what you're interested in introducing into your game.

Regards,

Daniel

coffeestain wrote: If I'm understanding you correctly, what your player is interested in doing is supported entirely by the rules.  You simply have to have the character take a relationship with the demon and then he's a sorcerer.  If he decides to call on the powers of the demon, he receives the same benefits any other sorcerer would.

Levi,

Yeah, there's always going to be that huge temptation there - bigger than any gun, higher than any escalation.

Just remember YOU can't judge him.  You can't tell him where his soul is going, you can't tell him God spurns him.  You just hand him the dice with a smile and wait to see what happens.

Regards,

Daniel

Oh, and about having an actual personified demon...well, the level of...uhm...supernatural-ness in your campaign is really up to your group. If everyone's on board with the idea, then run with it. I thought I was going to be running a "demons are bad luck" style of campaign, but my players quickly threw in manifested demons, green puss, and all sorts of other nastiness.

Well, even if demons are the bad-luck sort, it's just an avenue for player authorship. I really don't see the harm in it.

I wanted a character at one point who was completely comfortable with the demons he'd exorcised. He was a badass exersiz0r. His Coat crawled with symbols, his bullets scream and left a poof of sacred earth when they hit, and he had a little pouch he used to keep demons in that he'd gotten from a Mountain Person. I never played the dude — there are only so many hours in a day and I don't get to do all the role-playing I want — but the plan was to take demons as Traits. Having particular demons as Relationships is a gnarly idea that I didn't think of.

Now, here's a technicality: does this mean that, as soon as that dude does something with his demons, everyone's witnessed sorcery, so the dice go up on the Town's side, too? Is that the sorcery version of the d4 added to guns?

glyphmonkey wrote:
Now, here's a technicality: does this mean that, as soon as that dude does something with his demons, everyone's witnessed sorcery, so the dice go up on the Town's side, too? Is that the sorcery version of the d4 added to guns?

Right on, Andrew. Totally makes sense.

What if another Dog sees the first Dog summoning demons, decides that's "Wrong" too?  I think that might put a whole new cast on what level the demonic influence is at.

That's regular ol' Dog vs. Dog stuff. If I don't like you swearin' and drinkin', I kin take you to task fer that, too.

Hm, I wonder if it isn't more than that.

In fact, I wonder if a group of Dogs (what's the venereal word for Dogs in this context?)  could be a "Town"? 

If the Dogs in question aren't protagonists, sure. Otherwise, it's regular conflict between Dogs. I mean, if you're not having throwdowns between Dogs in your games, I don't know why you're playing.

Levi wrote:
One of my players was curious about demons.  Specifically, he was curious if his character could have a stormy relationship with a demon - the demon would have a name, the Dog would consider him an enemy, but the demon would want to tempt and claim the Dog personally.

Vaxalon wrote:
Hm, I wonder if it isn't more than that.

In fact, I wonder if a group of Dogs (what's the venereal word for Dogs in this context?)  could be a "Town"? 

My group started calling them "packs" as well. It just seemed natural.

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Pôl wrote:

Levi wrote:
One of my players was curious about demons. Specifically, he was curious if his character could have a stormy relationship with a demon - the demon would have a name, the Dog would consider him an enemy, but the demon would want to tempt and claim the Dog personally.

Not only would this be OK, but it would also be totally awesome.

This would also work: during the "Accomplishment" step of character creation, he could ask for a scene that introduces the demon in some way. Then, either during or after the scene, he can just assign one or more of his free Relationship dice to the demon. (Is this legal? I certainly think so!)