Hey all - I've lurked here for a long time but am finally getting around to actually making posts. The Inn at the Edge of Forever will be my second indie game, the first being Dead of Night, but will be my first deep foray into solo game design.

The Inn at the Edge of Forever is inspired by Spirited Away. It takes place in a magical inn where gods, spirits and monsters go to relax. Players take on the role of the servants of the gods and the more mundane visitors to the inn, telling tales of the adventures they have. At it's heart it is a game about magic and reality.

I'm using a slimmed down version of the Fulcrum Rules Rumble devised for Dead of Night - that is, stats are based in pairs that add up to 10, task resolution is 2d10 + stat with a target of 15 or 10 + an opposing stat.

The Inn uses a single stat pair - Real and Unreal, which must add up to 10 in total. Real governs a character's ties to the real world and lets him do things like punching people, remembering his way home or jumping over a big chasm. Unreal governs a character's ties to the magical world and lets him manipulate the world through magical means, by firing fire from his fingertips, sealing up doors and turning his foe into a frog.

Each stat is the opposing stat to the other, so when a character tries to use magic on an opponent their Unreal check is opposed by the target's Real stat. Because the stats work like a seesaw, the more magical a character is (and therefore the higher their Unreal, and the lower their Real), the harder it is for them to be effected by anything real (because their high Unreal stat is used as the target), but the easier it is for them to be manipulated by magic (because their Real stat will be low. The opposite is also true - the more real and less magical a character is, the harder it is for magic to effect them.

And that, in a nutshell, is it. There is some more cleverness involving specialisations/skills, but I'll save them for later.

And of course I've forgotten the first rule of presenting rules for discussion - ask a specific question.

Although there is an additional level of complexity with Truths and Secrets (skills/talents tied to either Real or Unreal and used to provide bonuses and flavorful descriptions), those are the rules in a nutshell. Do you think the interplay between Real and Unreal works, or do you think it is open to abuse? Is there enough complexity within the basic mechanic, or is it too simple?

Have you seen Trollbabe?

Hey Andrew, nice to see you posting here. I second Jack's mention of Trollbabe, it uses a similar polarised scale, but the devil is in the details. As a more general thing, The Power 19 is a set of questions that are quite helpful for nailing down what a game is about and how it all fits your vision. It'll also avoid circular threads of "have you considered X already? Yes." posts.

Back at the point. You've given us a dice mechanic, but not much to hang it off. Some things to consider, that will impact how "simple" the mechanic is:

Who gets credibility to interpet a roll? Who calls for rolls or sets what's at stake? Who narrates how a successful roll works or doesn't? Can a success or failure be modified somehow? How does the resolution fit into the rest of the game, for example can real and unreal change, if so how and when?

Defining those will help us 'get' if it's just a simple resoulation mechanic or if it's a simple mechanic that means something more in the game as a whole.

-Matt

Hey Andrew, nice to see you posting here. I second Jack's mention of Trollbabe, it uses a similar polarised scale, but the devil is in the details. As a more general thing, The Power 19 is a set of questions that are quite helpful for nailing down what a game is about and how it all fits your vision. It'll also avoid circular threads of "have you considered X already? Yes." posts.

Back at the point. You've given us a dice mechanic, but not much to hang it off. Some things to consider, that will impact how "simple" the mechanic is:

Who gets credibility to interpet a roll? Who calls for rolls or sets what's at stake? Who narrates how a successful roll works or doesn't? Can a success or failure be modified somehow? How does the resolution fit into the rest of the game, for example can real and unreal change, if so how and when?

Hey Andrew.

andrew_kenrick wrote:
Players take on the role of the servants of the gods and the more mundane visitors to the inn, telling tales of the adventures they have. At it's heart it is a game about magic and reality.

Ok, in answering the questions in the last post I've raised another few issues that I'd better explain.

First off is how the game is played and GMd. The game consists of each of the PCs telling a story to one another about their exploits in the Inn. The stories may interweave or they may be utterly unconnected. The PC telling a story is the protagonist, but the antagonists are controlled by the other players. I'm lifting the GMing mechanic mostly from Polaris, so each of the players gets to GM a different player, whilst the others act as assistants and play NPCs.

So in any given story you have one PC, one GM, and a number of assistant GMs who play NPCs. Other PCs may pop up in the other PCs' stories where they will be controlled by their player. Although it is the PC telling the story, and therefore they introduce it and outline the basic plot, the actual events that happen in it are played out by all the players.

Are the players telling the tales, or are their characters?

Nice. I hoped you were going to say that.

So I might say, "so there I was, face to face with the Spitboy King -"

and my opponent player might say, "- who would have impaled you, roasted you and eaten you for supper -"

and I might say, "- so I did the charm to pass for a spider -" and here I roll my Unreal vs. the Spitboy King's Real? Something like that?

-Vincent

Nice. I hoped you were going to say that.

So I might say, "so there I was, face to face with the Spitboy King -"

and my opponent player might say, "- who would have impaled you, roasted you and eaten you for supper -"

and I might say, "- so I did the charm to pass for a spider -" and here I roll my Unreal vs. the Spitboy King's Real? Something like that?

A character is further defined in the Inn by truths and secrets.

A truth is a facet of a character's real attribute - things he knows, things he can do, all to do with the real world. So it might be a personality trait, like "brave" or "foolish", or it might be a physical trait, like "athletic" or "slow and steady." It could also be a physical skill, like "rides horses" or "good with a sword." It could be something broader or more ephemeral, like "is a dog" or the character's name.

A character starts the game with a number of truths equal to his real stat. Whenever a real check is made a character can add +1 for each applicable truth.

Likewise secrets are facets of a character's unreal attribute, for secrets hold power at the Inn and the more of them a character knows, the more powerful he can be. Secrets can be anything connected to the workings of magic and the Inn, such as "bearer of the sacred flame," "knows the secret art of the furies" or "knows the real identity of the masked witch."

A character can have a number of secrets equal to their unreal stat, but starts the game with none defined. A secret can be defined at any time and, like truths, adds +1 to unreal checks when applicable. Because secrets are that much more ephemeral they can be made to apply in many situations through creative storytelling.

I want to do some more fun things to do with truths and secrets, such as invoking them, whereby a character loses the use of them for the story but gains a special effect such as a reroll. My main worry is that secrets are that much more powerful than truths, and therefore the unreal is that much more powerful, because they can be applied to many things and defined as and when needed. Should there be a negative consequence to secrets, a drawback of some kind?

I want to do some more fun things to do with truths and secrets, such as invoking them, whereby a character loses the use of them for the story but gains a special effect such as a reroll. My main worry is that secrets are that much more powerful than truths, and therefore the unreal is that much more powerful, because they can be applied to many things and defined as and when needed. Should there be a negative consequence to secrets, a drawback of some kind?

As I read the description, I was thinking the same thing, that the preference would be to take Unreal to gain access to Secrets. The Truths are well balanced in that if invoked, it is "used up" in the story. For invoked Secrets, I would replace the Secret with a Consequence - a type of negative truth that could be used to hinder the character, i.e. a truth that another character can invoke against the protagonist. This way, you use up a resource and gain a complication, which should offset the benefit of the on-the-spot creation of Secrets.

Also, are the stories revolving mainly around what is happening in the Inn, or is it just an explanation to bring the characters to together and allow them to share their stories?

Entirely in the Inn. The Inn is the be-all and end-all of this setting.I envisage it as a fantastical labyrinthine complex with countless rooms and corridors, and thousands upon thousands of mythical guests, so there should be plenty of scope for adventures and antagonists.

So, I invoke my secret from an earlier example, "knows the real identity of the masked witch," to gain an automatic success or whatever, and as a result I gain a complication as a consequence, such as angering the masked witch for revealing her identity and having her interfere with my story.

I was wondering about having you lose secrets entirely - after all, once a secret becomes common knowledge it's no longer a secret ... Not sure how to integrate that yet, I'll stew on it some more.

Exactly. You reveal a secret, gain a bonus but a price will have to be paid, and no one is sure when exactly it will happen. I see the other players taking advantage of this, using your consequence to a similar effect as their own Truth, but of course without losing anything.

And yes, once a secret is revealed it is no longer a secret so it becomes removed from play. Or more accurately, it becomes incorporated in the story. And once the Consequence is used, then the slot opens up for the player to declare a new Secret! This should continously drive the stories forward.

Regarding the dice mechanics, I like the Real/Unreal opposition, but think that an always opposed die mechanic would serve the feel of the game much better, and with something smoother than dice+rating vs TN. I have some suggestions if you think you want to consider other options.

But who would define the consequence? I guess that would fall to the GMs. I guess the role of the other players is to make your story as humiliating or foolish as possible, whilst making their own look heroic and wonderful.

I don't believe that the intent will necessarily be to humiliate or diminish the other story. It think this would play out more in terms of one up-manship, but without undermining the other players (characters yes, other players or the overall story, no).

You said that the characters are telling the stories to each other. Does that mean that all the "action" has happened in the past and the stories are basically being reconstructed through their telling? It would help to see how you image the play would proceed. When are the players talking as characters to each other in "present time", when are the characters "inside their stories", etc.

Also, if you have worked up the Power 19 replies, please post them.

I've posted the Power 19 now, along with some questions. Hopefully all will become clearer!