Here's the link:

http://www.20by20room.com/2006/04/more_about_nine.html

Here's the part that caught my eye:

However, the way conflicts work means that it's very difficult to get an interplay going between the players -- one player wins narration rights, and the other doesn't. If we had more give and take, more interplay, I think it would have been easier to actually roleplay. As things stood, a lot of our narrations were quite sketchy, because it was hard to get really adequate support from the other players.

Vaxalon wrote:
Here's the link:

To me, this is something of a flaw.  The resolution mechanic could have used, in my opinion, a Dogs-like back-and-forth stage, where players take turns narrating little pieces of the action, bits of dialogue, etc. that build towards the final resolution.

So you meant for it to be difficult to get an interplay between players?

Vaxalon wrote:
So you meant for it to be difficult to get an interplay between players?

Matt you are running head long into what I call "The Myth of Actor Stance"

Fortuneately many of us have busted clear through the utter nonsense and BS that is the Myth of Actor Stance and discovered brave new worlds of fun and excitement on the other side.  Others are still caught in the tangled web of their Actor Stance comfort zone.

The Myth of Actor stance says

1) player interaction is most fun when its done "in-character"
2) rules that don't simply allow players to jabber at each other indefinitely make it hard to be "in-character"
3) The less "in character" you are the less of a "real" role-playing game it is.

Each and every one of those assertions are complete and utter nonsense BS and totally, provably, demonstratably false.

"fun" can be had "in-character" or out...<gasp> even in the same game...hell the same scene.
jabbering in first person does not constitute being "in-character" and not jabbering in first person does not equate to NOT being "in-character"
and the last is just utter swill.

Not only is it purely a matter of personal preference but I'll go so far as to say that most people who claim it as a personal preference are actually mistaking familiarity with preference.

In other words the following statement is IMO true for most gamers:  "no, that isn't your actual preference, that's just what you're most familiar and comfortable with and so you THINK that's what you really enjoy because you haven't tried not playing that way enough to get familiar and comfortable with that"

GAH...I hate and despise the Myth of Actor Stance with a passion.

For the Record, Fred, the above rant was not directed at you as a player, but rather at your perpetuation of this myth in how you presented your question.

The idea of "total narrative control for the winner" addresses some issues that I've seen come up in my regular group, where a few people always want to have the last word in any situation. It is, I think, a personal dynamic - many of them have been friends for over fifteen years and seem more like siblings than otherwise.

In the past, they have been able to put such things aside if they're rewarded for doing so with in-game currency: fate chips, drama dice, whatever.

Now I want to see how they react when the ability to make each other sit down and listen is the essential reward for winning a conflict. I'm not sure it will work, but I'm going to be very interested to find out.

I'd be interested in hearing how your group handles it.  I can't wait to see what happens in a conflict that has multiple winners.

It helps (and when you get to my conflicts in 9W audio, you'll see me do this) if you think of the winner not as the sole author of the aftermath, but as a "mini-GM" for the resolution of the conflict -- everyone contributes, and keeps playing their characters, but the buck stops with the winner.

I play Dust Devils like this, too.

yrs--
--Ben

Groovy. Once the new edition is out and in my hands, I'll twist some arms and get an Actual Play out of it.

Love the recordings; thank you for sharing! I am fairly stoked to check it out. :)

And since I haven't seen it posted ... love the "Police" music as the padding.

doogs19 wrote:

And since I haven't seen it posted ... love the "Police" music as the padding.

Matt wrote:

Right on. That tune is pretty fitting, once you spot it out. ;)

But, I think that's only on session 1, scene 2, right? I can't remember for sure.

The reason I never spoke as Fell Pakton is that I never found his voice.

You'll hear me speak as Meg now, and we'll see if my desire to speak her words can be supported by the system.