Ok, we're starting a game of With Great Power…, and i have a few bits of the rules that i haven't figured out yet. I think i've read all of the relevant threads here (which answered some questions and clarified a couple points), and these are the questions i have left.

Let's start with the card decks:

• So, we apparently have a discard pile for each deck. Though, while i can find a couple references to that fact, if it actually *says* that anywhere, i missed it. What do we do with the discard piles?
• Closely related, what happens if we run out of cards in a deck? Do you just no longer have anything to draw from in that deck? Or do you reshuffle the discard pile?
• For that matter, if the point of keeping the discard piles separate is not just to make clean-up after the game easier, but because the cards get reused (the fact that it's a big deal that a card placed on the story arc is unavailable, implies the discarded cards eventually coming up again), when do you reshuffle, and how? Do you wait until the deck is used up, then reshuffle the discard pile? Or do you reshuffle the discard pile on a regular basis (say, after each conflict scene) and place it under the deck? Or maybe shuffle the discard pile in with the rest of the deck after each scene?
• What about between sessions? Everybody just hold on to their cards, or simply record how many cards each person has and re-draw next time? Or do the 'starting conditions' in the introduction apply to each session (as opposed to each story)? My guess is the first option--the rules know nothing about sessions, and whether 5 seconds or a week passes between two consecutive scenes is irrelevant, and the logistics of keeping track of the cards between sessions are just the problem of the players, not of the rules.

I may be tryingt oo hard, but I'm also a little fuzzy on the hands of cards.

• This one is just confirmation: you don't draw any cards for an enrichment scene, right?
• In a conflict scene, you draw N cards, and are limited to X. Am i right in reading it that the cards you draw are added to those you already had in your hand, or do you set your pre-existing hand aside, and only use those you've drawn for the conflict scene, during the conflict scene?
• Assuming that the cards you draw for a conflict scene are added to your pre-existing hand, what is the mechanism: Draw N cards, add them to the M you already have, then discard down to X? Draw N cards, discard from those down to X, then add them to the M you already had, starting the conflict scene with X+M cards?

Which gets us on to the actual rules of play.

• First of all, how do we know if something is/should be an enrichment scene or a conflict scene? As you point out, conflicts need not be physical. But both scenes involve conflicting stakes, and several of the example enrichment scenes seem to be about conflicts between people (such as between Debris and her brother). Why are these enrichment scenes, and not conflict scenes? Is it simply a matter of whatever the player(s) declare it to be?
• Setting the stakes. You at a couple points say that your stakes should be "one thing". But then at least one of the examples includes "get away with the girl". How do you break that up? "Get away" makes perfectly good sense as stakes, but "with the girl" sounds a bit weird. In any case, is the 'one thing' limit an absolute part of teh rules, or simply a guideline for how to set good stakes?
• A devestated aspect is under the GM's control. What does that mean for scripting/pencilling/inking? If Debris' brother is devestated, can Debris' player still bring him into a scene at all? Ink things regarding him once someone else has brought him into a scene? Ink anything at all involving him?

Finally, conflict itself is a bit confusing to me.

• First of all, either a GM or a player may pick a fight. But, no matter who picks it, the GM goes last in each panel. So that means that if a GM picks a fight, the play will be GM-player-GM, and then move on to another page. When they come back to that page, does the GM again go first (so, another round of GM-player-GM), since she picked the fight? Or, once the conflict is under way, do we then do player-GM for each panel, regardless of who initially picked the fight?
• If the latter, should the player still place his first card in the 1st panel spot? Or should it be GM (panel 1), player (panel 2), GM (panel 2), so that in subsequent turns the player and GM are playing into the same panel?
• Similarly, is it a continuous back-and-forth, or a series of one-way reactions. That is, the player plays in panel 1, and then the GM reacts by playing in panel 1. When the player next plays in panel two, is it a response to the GM's card in panel 1, or the initiation of a new action? It looks to me like it is mechanically a reaction--i.e., escalate, change style, or cancel--rather than a new action (since you can't just play any card you want to). If that's the case, am i right that the first card of panel 2 can cancel the 2nd card of panel 1 [in the same page of conflict]? What happens if 2b is a 10 of hearts, 3a is a 10 of hearts, and 3b is a 10 of hearts? Do you cancel the cancelling, or does the first cancel take place and the 3rd card [of this exchange] is a 'new' action?
• To play cards (escalate or change style), you only have to beat the highest card your opponent has in that suit, right? Not beat the ranking card in the suit? And, in fact, you don't have to beat the just-played card at all, except in so much as it should be the ranking card of its suit--you have to beat the highest card in the suit that your opponent has showing, right?
• Since the ranking card looks back at the entire page, the only way to ever play a card that is lower than an already-showing card of the same suit, is if all cards in that suit that are higher than the card you want to play are on your side of the conflict, right?
• In the first panel, the GM plays a King of Spades. Several style changes later, the King of Spades is still the ranking Spade on the page, but the current ranking card is the 10 of Hearts. Can the player play a King of Spades on the 6th panel (with a wild card for the suit change, of course)? If so, does this count as a cancel? What does that mean--does the just-played action get cancelled (even thought it was a 10 of Hearts), or do we retroactively cancel the action associated with the original King of Spades?

I think those are all my questions on the rules. Overall, it seems like a really awesome game--we only made it through chargen last week, and then did a couple throwaway scenes, just to get everyone familiar with the mechanics. We'll play our first session tonight, and i can't wait! It'll be even better if these questions get answered before then--i went to post this Fri and, well, we all know how that went.

Hi, woodelf. I'm glad you're taking the game for a spin. I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try to answer everything as best I can. I also don't have a copy of the book with me, so I can't provide page references.

Questions about discards
• Always wait until the deck is used up, then immediately reshuffle the discard pile and start using that. Between sessions, I generally hand out envelopes that everyone can store their cards in. Of course, that means not being able to use those decks for other games between sessions, but that's never been a big hurdle.

* This one is just confirmation: you don't draw any cards for an enrichment scene, right?

* In a conflict scene, you draw N cards, and are limited to X. Am i right in reading it that the cards you draw are added to those you already had in your hand, or do you set your pre-existing hand aside, and only use those you've drawn for the conflict scene, during the conflict scene?

* Assuming that the cards you draw for a conflict scene are added to your pre-existing hand, what is the mechanism: Draw N cards, add them to the M you already have, then discard down to X?

* First of all, how do we know if something is/should be an enrichment scene or a conflict scene? {snip} Is it simply a matter of whatever the player(s) declare it to be?

* Setting the stakes. You at a couple points say that your stakes should be "one thing". But then at least one of the examples includes "get away with the girl". How do you break that up? "Get away" makes perfectly good sense as stakes, but "with the girl" sounds a bit weird. In any case, is the 'one thing' limit an absolute part of teh rules, or simply a guideline for how to set good stakes?

* A devestated aspect is under the GM's control. What does that mean for scripting/pencilling/inking? If Debris' brother is devestated, can Debris' player still bring him into a scene at all? Ink things regarding him once someone else has brought him into a scene? Ink anything at all involving him?

* First of all, either a GM or a player may pick a fight. But, no matter who picks it, the GM goes last in each panel. So that means that if a GM picks a fight, the play will be GM-player-GM, and then move on to another page. When they come back to that page, does the GM again go first (so, another round of GM-player-GM), since she picked the fight? Or, once the conflict is under way, do we then do player-GM for each panel, regardless of who initially picked the fight?

* If the latter, should the player still place his first card in the 1st panel spot? Or should it be GM (panel 1), player (panel 2), GM (panel 2), so that in subsequent turns the player and GM are playing into the same panel?

* Similarly, is it a continuous back-and-forth, or a series of one-way reactions. That is, the player plays in panel 1, and then the GM reacts by playing in panel 1. When the player next plays in panel two, is it a response to the GM's card in panel 1, or the initiation of a new action?

What happens if 2b is a 10 of hearts, 3a is a 10 of hearts, and 3b is a 10 of hearts? Do you cancel the cancelling, or does the first cancel take place and the 3rd card [of this exchange] is a 'new' action?

* To play cards (escalate or change style), you only have to beat the highest card your opponent has in that suit, right? Not beat the ranking card in the suit? And, in fact, you don't have to beat the just-played card at all, except in so much as it should be the ranking card of its suit--you have to beat the highest card in the suit that your opponent has showing, right?

Since the ranking card looks back at the entire page, the only way to ever play a card that is lower than an already-showing card of the same suit, is if all cards in that suit that are higher than the card you want to play are on your side of the conflict, right?

* In the first panel, the GM plays a King of Spades. Several style changes later, the King of Spades is still the ranking Spade on the page, but the current ranking card is the 10 of Hearts. Can the player play a King of Spades on the 6th panel (with a wild card for the suit change, of course)? If so, does this count as a cancel? What does that mean--does the just-played action get cancelled (even thought it was a 10 of Hearts), or do we retroactively cancel the action associated with the original King of Spades?

Michael wrote:
Hi, woodelf. I'm glad you're taking the game for a spin. I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try to answer everything as best I can. I also don't have a copy of the book with me, so I can't provide page references.

Questions about discards
• Always wait until the deck is used up, then immediately reshuffle the discard pile and start using that. Between sessions, I generally hand out envelopes that everyone can store their cards in. Of course, that means not being able to use those decks for other games between sessions, but that's never been a big hurdle.

* This one is just confirmation: you don't draw any cards for an enrichment scene, right?

Yes and no. Unlike a conflict scene, you don't draw any cards just because you're starting an enrichment scene. However, if you're voluntarily increasing the Suffering of an Aspect, you DO get to draw cards for that. This includes the enrichment when you Prime your Strife Aspect. Moving from No Suffering to Primed normally gets you no cards, but your Strife Aspect always involves one additional card, so you can draw one. Likewise, if you're voluntarily decreasing the Suffering of an Aspect, you MUST discard the cards for that.

ALSO NOTE: That "X" you put there (7 for players, 7 + 4 per player for the GM) ONLY applies at the begining of conflict. Once a conflict starts, you can hold as many cards in your hand as you want.

* First of all, either a GM or a player may pick a fight. But, no matter who picks it, the GM goes last in each panel. So that means that if a GM picks a fight, the play will be GM-player-GM, and then move on to another page. When they come back to that page, does the GM again go first (so, another round of GM-player-GM), since she picked the fight? Or, once the conflict is under way, do we then do player-GM for each panel, regardless of who initially picked the fight?

The second option. Playing a panel (except, of course, the very first one) is always a reaction and then an action. The GM can't play again, she has nothing to react to.

* If the latter, should the player still place his first card in the 1st panel spot? Or should it be GM (panel 1), player (panel 2), GM (panel 2), so that in subsequent turns the player and GM are playing into the same panel?

As long as you are reacting to the last card your opponent played, put it on whichever panel makes the most sense for you. I just fill them from one side to the next. ALSO, if the fiight lasts longer than six panels, just keep going. The conflict mat is an organizational tool, not a straightjacket.

* To play cards (escalate or change style), you only have to beat the highest card your opponent has in that suit, right? Not beat the ranking card in the suit? And, in fact, you don't have to beat the just-played card at all, except in so much as it should be the ranking card of its suit--you have to beat the highest card in the suit that your opponent has showing, right?

Precisely. If you've got the King of Spades on your side, but hearts is active, you can play the 4 and 5 of Spades to change it back to Spades. Now your opponent has to beat the King of Spades, not the 4.

Since the ranking card looks back at the entire page, the only way to ever play a card that is lower than an already-showing card of the same suit, is if all cards in that suit that are higher than the card you want to play are on your side of the conflict, right?

* In the first panel, the GM plays a King of Spades. Several style changes later, the King of Spades is still the ranking Spade on the page, but the current ranking card is the 10 of Hearts. Can the player play a King of Spades on the 6th panel (with a wild card for the suit change, of course)? If so, does this count as a cancel? What does that mean--does the just-played action get cancelled (even thought it was a 10 of Hearts), or do we retroactively cancel the action associated with the original King of Spades?

Yes, it counts as a cancel. Steal a card from the GM's hand.
I play it that the just-played action gets cancelled. Retroactive Continuity is nobody's friend. It's too much work for too little reward. Keep conflicts immediate

Rushed again today. Sorry for the curt replies.

woodelf wrote:
Out of curiosity, why implement a hand limit for conflict, but not for enrichment?

By 'reaction and then an action', you're referring to the play of a single card, right?

That is, the GM plays two cards before she has the opportunity to assess, which occurs prior to her play of her 3rd card, right?

I like the tone of the writing.

Oh, one other thought: it would've helped us immensely to see at least one character completely written up, both hero sheet and scratch pad. Ideally, all 3 of the example heroes. It's really the only part of the game without examples in the rules--all the other aspects of play have examples, and even all of the of the parts of a character, but nothing that brings a whole character together. I'm particularly interested in seeing what level of detail you use for aspect descriptions on the character sheet, vice the level of detail on the scratchpad, and what the other proto-aspects on the scratchpad look like. [I'm not particularly *worried* about the level of detail--i've been playing Over the Edge since '92, and our own Four Colors al Fresco uses freeform traits in a very similar manner to With Great Power…, so i'm not uncomfortable with them--i'm just curious how you do it.]

Two things we ran into last night:

• Any reason we can't do a multiple-character enrichment scene involving 1 villain and 1 hero? Perhaps by a GM suggesting a villain enrichment scene that involves one of the heroes?
• Can a non-primed aspect have its suffering increased during conflict? My reading of the rules is that you can not prime an aspect via assessment--you have to use an enrichment scene to first prime an aspect, and from then on can use either enrichment or conflict to change its suffering. But it is not clear to me whether a non-primed aspect can become primed as a result of yielding a conflict.

woodelf wrote:
Two things we ran into last night:

• Any reason we can't do a multiple-character enrichment scene involving 1 villain and 1 hero? Perhaps by a GM suggesting a villain enrichment scene that involves one of the heroes?

• Can a non-primed aspect have its suffering increased during conflict? My reading of the rules is that you can not prime an aspect via assessment--you have to use an enrichment scene to first prime an aspect, and from then on can use either enrichment or conflict to change its suffering. But it is not clear to me whether a non-primed aspect can become primed as a result of yielding a conflict.