I'm currently trying to develop a Universal, Extensible, Open Source game engine for use with community developed settings. I want it to draw upon some narrativist game mechanics, while still being crunchy and recognizable to mainstream gamers. So I hope that the fact that the game isn't as experimental and freeform as many that are being made on the cutting edge wont discourage people from commenting. Things have been going relatively well but I've been having a little trouble with my resolution mechanic, primarily the fact that although I like the idea of descriptors, I can't explain to other people the use of them and I'm beginning to not understand them myself.

Here's my basic mechanic:

All talents and abilities range from Low to Exceptional, and each descriptor represents a modifier between -1 to +4. For talents, the modifier dictates the treshold of a given task. So for a wits check if the characters Wits was Average (+1), they'd have a base of 1 because you can't roll below 1 + the modifer of 1 for a threshold of 2, meaning each die that comes up 2 or below is a success. Talent Thresholds represent a characters ability to suprass their limits. For Abilities, which actually rate a character normal limits, the descriptor modifier gives a character their number of automatic successes. Checks are made by rolling 3D6 and each die that comes up below a characters threshold result in a success, while 6's remove a success. Difficulty is the number of successes necessary and run an extended list of descriptors from low to impossible. Difficulties correspond to the ability descriptors in a specific way namely, and for example, an intermediate difficulty would require one more success than an intermediate ability gives in automatic successes, so that a difficulty that matches the descriptor of an ability is a challenge and requires a success to achieve.

So I was relatively happy with the basic idea of it, but I've heard several times that people think that just having numbers would be better than descriptors because the conversion doesn't actually change the numbers. When I tried to explain how descriptors work in other games, they thought descriptors were at best replacements for numbers and at worst unnecessary complexity. I feel plain numbers are kind of impersonal but I kind of see their point. It's been brought up on this forum as well when I posted my game under connections in a call for co-developers. I mean even in Fudge or Fate, which use descriptors about as well as I can think of using them, you're just replacing descriptors for number, because you could just easily have a number rather than a descriptor and have the difficulty be represented in numbers. In other systems like PDQ, there are also conversions from descriptors to numbers, but I like PDQ and people don't seem to mind the descriptor conversion in PDQ.

SO I was wondering if you guys could give me some feedback on the resolution mechanic, and maybe give me some better explanation of the use of descriptors instead of numbers.

I like it because it makes it less impersonal, I mean I would rather have a "Meager" ability than a +0 ability, at least Meager gives me an idea of what I can do. Also it's easier to liken the relative ability score to a difficulty that is appropriately difficult. I also wanted to have a context based difficulty mechanism where you could have a human with an average lifting ability, and a giant with an average lifting ability but in context the difficulty would be lower for the giant than the human because the giant is in a different ballpark than the human. I thought I'd show this through having a Gift gauge for superhuman abilities that would lower the difficulty by an amount dictated by it's own descriptor modifier. But when I bring this up to other people they say they'd rather just have a wider range of numbers and have the average giant be a few steps above the average human. But that's exactly what I dont want is a wide range of numbers and an over attentive modeling system for different things like strength. Any thoughts? Suggestions?

I'd be willing to give a free opinion, but it would help me to see the Discriptor Chart just like it would be printed in the ruleset, and an example of use in play (with the dice rolls, and result listed).

Regards, Brad

Descriptor Modifiers:

Low           -1
Meager             0
Average                 +1
Intermediate +2
Exceptional +3
Extraordinary         +4

The modifiers affect Talents and Abilities in separate ways but both use the same modifier chart. For talents, your modifier is added to a base of 1 to determine your threshold for an overall group of tasks. The talents are as follows:

Physique- Overall fitness, strength and explosive muscular power.
Coordination- A characters ability to correlate the movements of their body in a meaningful way.
Presence- Charisma and the ability to impress ones will upon others, very often related to supernatural abilities.
Wits- The ability to think on ones feet, to think through problems and the speed of ones reaction to stimulus.
Style- A more abstract measurement of the characters j'ne se qua. Also the ability to improvise and handle situations.

Abilities are the actual specific capabilities and normal limits of a character. The descriptor modifiers for abilities give a character the number of automatic successes they get on any roll involving that ability.

Difficulties do not use the descritpor modifier table but use an extended list of the same descriptors and are as follows:

Low   0
Meager 1
Average 2
Intermediate  3
Exceptional    4
Extraordinary  5
Incredible   6
Legendary 7
Impossible 8

Each difficulty level corresponds to the same descriptor for abilities in a specific way. An Intermediate difficulty task requires 3 successes, while an Intermediate ability score only provides 2 automatic successes, and this is true of all of the difficulties. Meaning if someone is attempting a task that is the same difficulty as their level of ability, it is a challenge and requires two successes. I did the Algebra, and for a person with an Average (+1) talent, and calculating the likelihood of sixes, this boils down to roughly one half of the time, a character will succeed. A person with a higher talent is more capable of reaching beyond their normal limits, and can score more successes.

When a check is made, the contestant(s) roll 3D6, each die that comes up at or below the threshold for the specified talent adds a success, each 6 removes a success. If you have enough automatic successes from your ability to succeed at a task before rolling, you can spend a style point to automatically succeed, this is called a dramatic success.

Style Points- Style points are an important part of Core, and allow characters to perform Cinematics (which are basically like Feats or Stunts and are meant to give characters abilities that are cinematic and for which they do not have to roll), and to increase their likelihood of succeeding at dramatic checks. Right now, they are capable of doing the following.

To score dramatic successes when the characters ability level is high enough to succeed automatically. (1 Point)

To fuel cinematics (Variable points)

To increase a characters Threshold for one Action. (1 point)

To achieve in-game effects that enhance drama (knowing a piece of information about an event, finding a clue at the right moment) (Variable points- Determined by Player and Storyteller)

Sequence of Play-

A character must first declare what they are going to do.

The thesholds, difficulties, etc are calculated and the roll is made if there is not a dramatic success.

After the roll is made a character spends Style Points, declares themselves In Their Element, or manipulates Mise En Scene to alter the roll, all the while using soliloquy and describing their action in a specific way to justify to the storyteller any expenditure of style or use of special rules.

The outcome is then determined and narrated.

The reason for this sequence of play is that I feel the randomness of dice are not actually well suited to the natural curve of success or failure that humans undergo in tasks. And that the likelihood of randomly rolling poorly doesn't really sit well with me. And I especially feel that in a game that is intended to induce dramatic roleplaying, it would be especially annoying to spend style, be In Your Element, describe how the Mise En Scene is fueling your Elements, and then roll crap and fail after all that effort. The point of Roleplaying in my opinion is fun and interactive storytelling. I don't want to simulate a world where people try really dramatic things and randomly fail, I want a game that simulates movies and books, and the stylish and interesting things characters can do in them. So if a failure does occur a player needn't spend extra points and invoke special rules and put forth a lot of effort. Think of a sword fight in a movie, a swordsman may miss and be parried many times, but when they finally strike true, it's no fluke of chance, it's a stylish and willful action, and that's what I'm shooting for.

Example of Play

Conrad has two tasks ahead of him. The first thing he has to do is jump across a crevass that falls away into blackness. His Physique talent is Intermediate (+2) so he has a threshold of 3. His storyteller informs him that the task will be an Athletics check of Exceptional difficulty. His Athletics descriptor is Intermediate (+2), meaning he requires two successes above his automatic successes to succeed. He rolls and gets a 1 a 4 and a 5. Only one success because his threshold was 3. Now that the fortune has been determined, Conrads player declare that he'll be using a style point, and describes briefly how Conrad makes the sign of the corss over his chest, cups his nether regions and takes a screaming running leap. The storyteller gets a kick out of this and decides to allow the style expenditure (especially because it would be contrary to the good of the story to have a character fall down a crevass). The storyteller then narrates that he grabs what his maker gave him and takes a running leap, and slams hard in to the lip of the crevass, nearly winding himself but managing to get a handhold and scramble from the blackness.

Next Conrad must climb a rope. Conrads player says he takes a bit of a breather, and then sets about climbing it. The storyteller declares the difficulty to be an Average (2) Athletics check. Conrad has an Intermediate (+2) Athletics score, meaning he has enough successes to take a dramatic success if che chooses. Because he could still roll 6s and fail the task there is some risk involved, and because Conrad has more Style than time, he opts for the dramatic success and climbs the rope with ease whistling as he travels up towards a point of light.

So what do you think? Can anyone think of a way to make descriptors be more central? I like them because it gives a way to correlate relative ability to appropriate difficulties. If anyone is interested, I am still looking for co-developers to help with settings creation, and refinement of the system.

Think of a sword fight in a movie, a swordsman may miss and be parried many times, but when they finally strike true, it's no fluke of chance, it's a stylish and willful action, and that's what I'm shooting for.

Ditto to Callan! Especially since you are making a game about telling stories, not about winning battles.

I have been thinking about some of these concepts for a long time. I am very excited by tight value ranges because they make value judgements so much more decisive. This in turn makes quick value judgements VERY easy.

And for me, the prime attraction of value descriptors is that they instantly translate verbal descriptions into values which we can use in task resolution.

Conan The Barbarian just entered the scene. QUICK! Make a character sheet for him!

Uhh . . let's see . . . Swordsmanship ? Extroardinary. Physique? Extraordinary! Diplomacy? LOW!

Boom! New character! Ready to go! Most of the godawful, miserable railroading that takes place in mainstream games is due to the huge amount of prep time required of the GM. If he spent 45 minutes picking out feats for the captain of the guard, do you really think we'll be allowed to ignore him? White Wolf games are nearly as bad.

All of my (terrible) GM friends, when convicted of railroading, cry that their hands are tied by prep time.

True, you aren't using any avant-garde authorship-distribution techniques, but this will give the GM freedom to feel comfortable letting the players re-shape the story.

Yea. That's why I like Descriptors too, plus it just seems a lot less impersonal, like I said before, to have an Exceptional Horsemanship ability rather than a +3 Horsemanship ability, or worse off a +0 Horsemanship ability. os what I think I'm going to do is justify their use through their correlation to difficulties, and change the notation of the descriptors to the style I've been using in this thread, where instead of Average, you write Average (+1) that way the number is readily at hand.

As far as my game being about story, it's true, I want a game that encourages story and that makes a substantive rules impotus for dramatic action, not just encourages dramatic play after the fact in some blurb in the Storytellers section. But despite the decidedly Narrativist bent I'm trying to introduce, because I'm making a Universal system, I want the rules to still be sufficiently crunchy and solid to appease those people who want to know just what their character can. I'm not trying to create something totally experimental and freeform, while I love those games, it does not fit my current design goals, i.e. providing a Universal Open Source system that appeals to Mainstream gamers as well as indie gamers.

I would love to hear other suggestions.

Justin wrote:
Yea. That's why I like Descriptors too, plus it just seems a lot less impersonal, like I said before, to have an Exceptional Horsemanship ability rather than a +3 Horsemanship ability, or worse off a +0 Horsemanship ability. os what I think I'm going to do is justify their use through their correlation to difficulties, and change the notation of the descriptors to the style I've been using in this thread, where instead of Average, you write Average (+1) that way the number is readily at hand.

yea I guess I can see that. But I wanted to have adjective for the descriptors that could describe a level of skill and a level of difficulty,  what does Abysmal difficulty mean, is that good or bad? if it's an abysmal difficulty that could means it's really difficult.

Should I perhaps change meager to average, and intermediate to above average? Can anyone think of adjectives that fit both purposes?

Can anyone think of a way to make descriptors be more central?

Justin,

Damned sorry for responding by asking you to do more work so I could comment, and then seemingly vanishing into the woodwork. Where I come from that’s “fwickin’ wuude!”

By way of explanations I’ve had an Abysmal[sup]1[/sup] week…work piles, house chore piles, project piles, my dog helping me get sprayed by a skunk…you know, all the normal stuff!

Okay, lemme start with the name. CORE. To me it has a ring not dissimilar to FATE, FUDGE, or GURPS. I like it, and in my less than humble opinion, I think it has great potential!

I know that it’s not the 80’s where acronyms are all cool like dat anymore but consider these, because I think they speak to what I perceive as your Design Goals –

Crunchy Open-Source Roleplaying Engine – Copyleft 2007 Justin Nichol[sup]2[/sup]
Cinematic Open-Source Roleplyaing Engine – Copyleft 2007 Justin Nichol[sup]2[/sup]

If I have as good a grasp of what I think you’re aiming at as I think I do, I’d choose the later. In my estimation it speaks directly to your Design Goals as I perceive them in the context of this post. (If you’ve already got an acronym, or if I missed it by skimming this thread…I apologize, and would like to see what you got).

Now, on to Descriptor Based Game Resolution Systems –

Please bear with me, as I have to start a little earlier in the progression of thought to get to my point.

Okay, as I see it game rules have a relatively short list of methods of presentation to the end user, which sets the stage for success/failure on the fun meter; the obvious ones are:

1) Ruleset Text – In my experience the simplicity & clarity of rulesets dresses the stage for either great gaming experiences, or future Social Contract breakdowns…ie. “You @$$^*!& that’s not what rules say at all,” or “it’s clearly implied in the rules…GM make a decision, do I save the girl or not?” (License to GM Fiat).

2) Textual In-game Examples – Adding to, or sometimes detracting from, the simplicity & clarity of ruleset texts are In-game Examples of each major rule. eg. “Bink & Morley are confronted by coldhearted mobsters intent upon killing them…the Players roll to see who gets to go first, and then combat is resolved by…blah, blah, blah.”

3) Demonstration/Coattail Riding (Hand Holding in more civil terms) – the new Player is either shown how to play by his buddies, or a game demonstrator at a gaming event. This one isn’t always available to gamers interested in your game. In my opinion every attempt should be made to obviate the need for this sort of presentation of your game, essentially because it reduces your market from the get go. Not every potential gamer has gaming buddies, and not everyone can, or chooses to attend gaming events. Better to have a game easy enough to learn that total newcomers to gaming feel comfortable buying it, and trying it at home themselves.

4) Rules Simplification Tools – A game can be very complicated, involving all sorts of little maths that can potentially make one round of combat/task resolution last an hour of playtime. For some gamers this sort of experience is fun…for me, well, not to mince words I only care for that sort of action when I’m Wargaming![sup]3[/sup] For RPGs I like fast paced, cinematic, in your face, quick on your feet or it’s hel to pay combat resolution. In my opinion it adds to a Player’s sense that their PCs are really in the mix.

This later category is where I think the crux of your original question lives, and how you handle it may be what makes your game everything you aimed for it to be during all those hours of work from concept through design.

A really complicated Resolution System, or even a hard to explain simple one, can be transformed as if by magic through the use of strategically crafted Rules Simplification Tools. Essentially the right RSTs make the rules into either a second nature/no-brainer feature of a game, or at least make attempts to do as much of the math for Players upfront as possible…this helps a Ruleset get out of its own way so that play, and NOT rules becomes the central focus of the gaming experience. Here are some examples from my jaded experience –

Vampire – the Health Status[sup]4[/sup] rules in this game use Descriptors just like you’re proposing. The ruleset text is reasonably simple & clear (at least from my perspective), but what knits it all up into a no-brainer, easy in-game math situation is the Chart affixed to every Character Sheet. All a Player has to do is glance at it to know what both his status, and mods are.

Marvel Super Heroes – the Feat Rules for this game were not immediately clear to me from just reading the ruleset text. When I tried it against the colored Feat Chart (Yellow, Green, Red, etc. also similar in nature to your Discriptor idea) it was so simple even a Caveman could do it! For the record I love that game!

Old DnD – back in the day when we old-timers had to walk uphill both ways to play DnD there was no such things as pre-printed Character Sheets, DM or Player Screens…or for that matter even dice. Sharing six Styrofoam cups between up to twelve Players bogged combat/task resolution down well enough on its own, but the little maths did us in but hard. We invented a solution…we instituted a protocol for handwriting Character Sheets that everyone followed if they wanted to play with us. It included a Combat Matrix many are well familiar with now, and what I think of as a precursor to the THAC0 way of looking at this very concern. This shortened our mathematics exercises enough to move more towards cinematic combat than we’d ever experienced to that point.

Twilight 2000 – right off the bat I have to admit that I’m not much of a fan of games that take 2 hours to roll Characters up, but less than a two rounds to loose them. In spite of this fact I spent a number of years doing just that…go figure. One of our group’s chief complaints was the damned complicated math for Range Damage Mods, exacerbated by the fact that GDW made it a point to write proprietary rules for every frickin’ gun under the sun. We did a shitload of upfront work to make our in-game time less of a hassle. We literally took turns reducing all the Twilight gun stats to one comprehensive document in nice neat columns, and included a number of our own gun variants. This was then applied to a nice neat little photocopied Combat Matrix Page placed on the verso of our homebrew four page Character Sheet. The obverse sides included things that didn’t need to be looked at in immediate resolution situations. You all know what I’m getting at here.

So, to make a long post even longer what I’m suggesting is that you can take your Resolution Mechanics & make them as simple as pie to use, no matter if they’re complicated, or not so easy to describe in text, or face to face.

Question –

I think I grok almost every aspect of your game from the opening sentences of your initial post…but one…Extensible.

Now, if by Extensible you mean Modular, Adaptable, chock-full-o-variants I think you’ve already set the stage for that to happen simply by the fact that you also include “open source,” and “community developed” in what I perceive as your design goals.

If in fact your game makes it into the waking world under the goals you’ve stated, and people like it enough to play it, then having it open-source will naturally foster the creation of settings, rules variants, the whole schmear…

Regards, Brad

[sup]1[/sup]Abysmal – (Brainstorming) This Descriptor is below Low, and is at –6 penalty to dice rolls. Essentially it represents categorical & automatic failure unless the Player rolls a 1 on the number of dice indicated for that Threshold.

[sup]2[/sup]If you like these, take them, I just staked your Open-Source claim to the public in this manner of presentation.

[sup]3[/sup]This is a point of consideration for all those games that live & die in the attached at the hip to the Wargaming Legacy potential pitfall.

[sup]4[/sup]You may want to consider a similar application of your Descritpors to a PC’s Health Status if you haven’t already.

Heh, uhmm...wow [red faced]...

Let this be a lesson to us all...especially me!

Never attempt to make comments after an Abysmal week, or without getting your facts straight…’cause you’re at categorical & automatic failure unless you make the right rolls. In this case…all sixes! Burn & die! Argggghhh!

I knew I read that someplace…what a block head, I thought it was here!

I’d like to hope this is a nice plug for Dream Pod 9…and uhmm…Justin if they come after you for copyright infringement…point & say he did it! I guess that invalidates my offer to stake a claim for ya. They say it’s the thought that counts…in this case I’d say forethought has more bearing. Never go off half-researched, it only leads to a roll on the Critical Miss tables…

I hope all that other stuff helps though.

Well, I’m off to wash my dog again, and take a nap.

Humbly back to his corner, Brad

Wow thanks for the replies.

As for the name CORE, yea I hear a lot of people grumble that using acronyms like that is so  80s and 90s, so I was kinda flip flopping, but I had previously thought of calling it Completely Open Roleplaying Engine, but I actually think I like Cinematic Open Roleplaying Engine better as you suggested. And I think CORE stands well enough on it's own that people don't have to refer to any acronym if they don't want to unlike gurps which I just dont really like to say, it sounds like a venerial disease. I definitely don't want a case of the gurps.

I definitely agree with the rules simplification tools advice, and really want to incorporate as much simplification as possible. I already known one instance in which I could use such advice. Talents determine thresholds and thresholds do not fluctuate with difficulty, so on the charsheet where Talents are noted, there should be a space to write your figured threshold, because I could foresee people looking at their sheet if they think there's a calculation to be done, but memorizing their thresholds much more easily if there is a space to write them. I'm a graphic designer by schooling so I've been putting together a simple character sheet and I certainly want to incorporate as much as I can into it to simplify the rules.

As for your suggestion Anders, you might have something there, I might not encourage an overly detailed descriptor sentence but I could perhaps introduce ability elements where you replace the descriptor with one of your own for the cost of a few character points and can call on it to get in your element when appropriate, sort of like a narrativist answer to skill specializations.

Finally, Extensible. I started by calling the game Modular and I still want it to be, but I realized I didn't really want a game like Fudge where everything was interchangeable because that would cause a lot of cross-compatability issues for community developers, or would require a ton fo conversion rules that are no fun. SO essentially what I want to do is have a distilled and highly sophisticated and playtested central engine from which the game can be added to with optional rules for more complex play or to address issues that don't occur in every game. You don't necessarily need a Sanity score for a Fantasy Adventure Game. So basically I started calling it extensible, I still want modularity, for instance I want to have a diceless system that can replace the rolling system, but I want it to function in place of and intertwined with all the other rules and not just be switched out willy nilly.

As for your second post Brad, I'm not quite sure I understand. Copyright infringement? Dream Pod 9?

Justin,

I was just over in the corner asking the coach if he’d lance this shiner I gave myself, but…

After posting that Copyleft stake for you on the “Cinematic Open-Source Roleplaying Engine” name my augoeides chided, and asked, “what a dope…did you do a search on that fancy little name to see if someone has already used it? Nooo, nooo you didn’t…”

So, I went to Goog-lay & typed in C.O.R.E. and got Dream Pod 9’s CORE Command.
http://www.dp9.com/Worlds/CC.htm

It seems maybe my hastiness might be on the wrong side of the equation. Maybe there’s no copyright issue, as your game is something wholly different from at least what I can see without some sagely advice from someone here that knows better. Ron?

Personally, I hope there isn’t ‘cause I sorta dig that name for your application, am happy you like it too, and hope I can snag a credit when you make it in the bigtime…

BB

hmm, oh ok. Yea, from what I remember of my ethics and legalities class, I don't think there are issues with the copyright, but I could be wrong. I think you could call your game Dark Dungeons a la Chick, and using the word dungeons isn't something d&d can sue you for. I certainly hope it's not an issue because I've gotten rather used to the name CORE. Originally I was going to call it opencore, but there is some IT company that uses that name for something and I didn't want to overlap with them even though the two projects were clearly distinguishable.

But I'm not sure with this because they have a system called CORE Command and Sillhouette CORE, hmm not sure if it'll be an issue.

Justin wrote:
hmm, oh ok. Yea, from what I remember of my ethics and legalities class, I don't think there are issues with the copyright, but I could be wrong. I think you could call your game Dark Dungeons a la Chick, and using the word dungeons isn't something d&d can sue you for. I certainly hope it's not an issue because I've gotten rather used to the name CORE. Originally I was going to call it opencore, but there is some IT company that uses that name for something and I didn't want to overlap with them even though the two projects were clearly distinguishable.

But I'm not sure with this because they have a system called CORE Command and Sillhouette CORE, hmm not sure if it'll be an issue.

Hey Gents,

I did a little more digging...after a nice long nap helped me get my boxing face on a little better.

DP9's Use of the word CORE

The game engine driving all DP9’s RPGs is called Silhouette CORE©[sup]1[/sup], reduced to SilCORE[sup]2[/sup] in either the lingo of the gamers using it[sup]3[/sup], or DP9 itself. This Engine drives a number of genre specific games[sup]4[/sup], most of which seemingly orbit a Pulp SF/Manga-esque vibe. Evidently it’s also a d6-based system, though, I don’t have actual game mechanics details yet.

Curiously, the very word Silcore is copyrighted by others outside the RPG industry[sup]5[/sup], so one could argue that a certain LvL of confusion already exists concerning their use of that name. (Essentially it’s the same sitch you encountered Justin with that IT Company, only one of them didn’t exactly follow your example.) I’m not sure whether DP9, or the non-RPG company coined the Silcore name first. Chances are people in both industries are aware of this situation, as evidenced by the fact that both listings come up on the same Goog-lay Search Page[sup]6[/sup]. Ironically the Non-RPG use takes top spot. More digging ahead.

Perhaps pertinent to our concern is the fact that DP9 has a Fansite/Fanfic List[sup]7[/sup] on their website. Evidently they're the sharing type…whether they would view your use of a somewhat similar name for a potentially competing RPG may be the rub. If you did it in their particular genre-niche I think you’d most certainly get hammered. CORE Mecha, CORE Manga, or CORE Space Opera names would be right out. Trying names like CORE Fantasy Adventure, or CORE Superheroes would most probably also land you a nice C&D Letter (Cease and Desist).

As I see it, the potential hitch with DP9 over your RPG Engine Title is that it is also a d6-based RPG that might compare confusingly against their CORE Command game title.

Considerations for your CORE

I think one part of this concern hangs on your intended use of the name CORE (C.O.R.E., and/or Cinematic Open-Source Roleplaying Engine). Help me out, are you:

1) Making this a free Open Source/Community Developed Product Identity (PI)?

2) Aiming to sell it with some portions of the PI in closed copyright by yourself, and contributing authors?

3) Aiming to sell it with all the content Open Source/Copyleft?

The other key point may be how long you’ve been using the CORE name, where, in what context, and format? How far back in history do you have certifiably dated material containing your use of the CORE name? This could include emails, computer files, dated journals, snail mail correspondence, etc. As far as I can tell DP9 copyrighted their system somewhere around 1994-99. Yours isn't copyrighted/trademarked yet, but in the event of a copyright infringement battle this info could demonstrate your intent as non-aggressive.

Justin, you could just bypass all this speculation by contacting DP9, explaining your situation, and asking them if it would represent a problem for them…or, you could do more digging first, and then a) Ask them, or b) Do your thang, and risk a C&D Letter/Order. Personally, I would opt for the course that never jeopardizes your own unique Product Identity, or even tarnishing its reputation in the industry.

The other option is to take this concern to a Lawyer specializing in Copyright, Trademark, and Intellectual Property Law.[sup]8[/sup]

Perhaps ironically, something about the name Noclue lends me comfort, and certainty that we’ll get to the very bottom of this concern in record time.

More later…

Regards, Brad

Research Notes –
[sup]1[/sup][PDF]Silhouette CORE© Rules FAQ
[sup]2[/sup]SilCORE Wiki
[sup]3[/sup]DP9 Forum mention of SilCORE© OGL
[sup]4[/sup]Dream Pod 9 Wikipedia Entry
[sup]5[/sup]Non-RPG Use of Silcore Name
[sup]6[/sup]Google Search Page Evidencing Non-RPG Use
[sup]7[/sup]DP9 List Page including Fansites/Fanfic
[sup]8[/sup]Fine Example of an Intellectual Property Law Specialist

Other Pertinent Information –
DP9 Homepage
Silhouette CORE Rulebook
Example SilCORE© Fansite

Copyright Resources –
http://intelproplaw.com/Copyright/Forum/msg/2799.shtml
http://www.registeringatrademark.com/copyright-faq.shtml#18
http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-223525.html
http://www.chillingeffects.org/

Well one thing I've noticed is although they have command core, in the actual text of their game demos they refer to their system as being called Silhouette, which makes it seem like the system is called that, and they're referring to it as the core rules of silhouette, but that could just be an oversight.

As for your questions:

1) Yes, if I'm not misunderstanding.

2) No, none of the content released by BFG for CORE will be closed content, and no derivative works based on the system will be allowed to be closed content.

3) Yes, if things go well enough, for fundraising purposes, there will be professionally printed editions for sale, but all content will be available freely in electronic format.

I think that I would prefer to just contact DP9, but I would like to have some leverage in the offer, because I can see a company very readily trying to dismiss the threat any way they can, but I don't know what the staff of DP9 are like, they could be amiable.

Justin,

From what I can gather the folks at Dream Pod 9 are probably reasonably personable, if the history of DP9 is any indication. Of course, though, I’m only guessing.

By way of leverage I’d opt for the gods’ honest truth, considering you’ve just stated to me that you’re not in this for the money, and hold no allusions of competing with them on any front other than the attention of what gamers dig your work enough to either play it, or work on it themselves.

In my opinion, and take it with a tablespoon of salt, my guess is if they do have a business before pleasure at all costs attitude, once you say that your game is an open-source, community developed, sold only as commemorative printed editions to defray costs sort of animal…well, they’ll probably write you off as a plain old hobbyist nowhere near capable of hurting their sales. Again, this is only speculation, so take it for what it’s worth to you…

Oh, and if my sense of Forge policy is getting any better, this thread is probably nearing the tail end of its shelf life…so, if you want to talk to me about it after this PM me.

Regards, Brad