To anyone who thought that Ron might have been hallucinating when he talked up Tunnels & Trolls a couple years back, you need only check in with one of the madmen that played in my con closer game at Go Play NW.  I used the utterly fabulous Tunnels & Trolls Campaign Book, which is available from <a href="http://www.geocities.com/hobbit_lands/index.html">Outlaw Press, who are singlehandly keeping T&T community alive and growing.

There was total gang rush as people ran to sign up when I wrote the event up on the board, and I wound up with six players.  Only two of the players had tried T&T before (I think), but they took to it like ducks to water.  They pushed the saving roll system as hard as they could, with marvelous results.  One incident that stands out was the Dwarf Warrior (name of Pigface), whose talent was "Batterning Ram", lumbering through lines of goblins scattering them like ninepins, and then turning around and charging back through the lines, finally shoulder checking one on to the point of the Elf Warrior (Moonrazor)'s sword.

We also had an Elf wizard (Metro Natural), an Elf rogue (Legolamb), and a pair of brother & sister Leprechauns (Rabbitpunk* and ??(crap, I can't remember, somthing like "Glamsmack")) with a bad case of sibling rivalry, and a penchant for satyriasis.  This also had to be one of the most hilariously unwholesome T&T games I have ever had the pleasure of being involved with.  It included such gems of tastelessness as the line "You've found a dead woman, what other treasure do you need?" and a spontaneous Leprechaun on Elf B&D session that broke out while my attention was otherwise diverted. (Safety tip... never leave an oversexed Leprechaun alone in a torture chamber for too long).

Did I mention we also featured elf parkour and plenty of gleeful looting of the bodies?  It was an utterly madcap return to the joy of "let's roll up some characters and clean out a dungeon".  I've been refining both my presentation to new players, and my skill with the required combination of "speak loudly and carry a big fiat" that running T&T requires.  The only downside to this game is that the rules themselves do not fully reveal their application to they not already prepared eye, requiring a certain immmersion in the oral "lore" of the T&T fan community.  But when properly brought to bear, this is one true gem from the dawn of hobby.

Oh, and GPNW was additionaly awesome on so many levels.  But more on THAT later.

Which version of T&T were you using?  I have the new 7th edition rules but I've heard that 5.5 are the best ones.

I like some things from each.  5.5 is definitely the more attractive book, being filled with Liz Danforth art and that nice 70s typography.  7.0 makes some stuff official that were widely used house rules for 5.0 (5.5 includes Ken's house rules tacked on in the back, so you'll find out what they are).  I like the way 7.0 rationalizes levels and increasing ability scores.  I like the basic concept and motivation of Talents from 7.0, but the implementation is lame.  I used my own house rule, which is that a talent lets you roll 3d6 for a saving roll, and DARO still applies.  7.0 has a bunch more spells, and some of them are really good.  But it's missing Wink-Wing, so Leprechauns are confused.  The kindred charts in 7.0 are completely messed up.

I think it was best put by one of the players in my game last night: "The T&T rules are rough spec for a great game, which you can then develop to your taste".

Hiya,

Quick clarification: 5.0 is the big paperback with the Danforth art. 5.5 is a recent re-release of that edition with some additional material by St. Andre in the back. Personal cop: I don't think the additional material is worth a lot. I consider 5.0 to be the apotheosis-moment of T&T.

Here's my question: did you read the part about dungeon design in which it's suggested that a given dungeon have a given NPC manager? Who is best based on the GM? If so, did you try it? If so, what was the dungeon manager character like?

Best, Ron

Quick clarification: 5.0 is the big paperback with the Danforth art. 5.5 is a recent re-release of that edition with some additional material by St. Andre in the back. Personal cop: I don't think the additional material is worth a lot. I consider 5.0 to be the apotheosis-moment of T&T.

Here's my question: did you read the part about dungeon design in which it's suggested that a given dungeon have a given NPC manager? Who is best based on the GM? If so, did you try it? If so, what was the dungeon manager character like?

I still recall with pride that my Wizard was the sole survivor of over fifteen forays into the "Dungeon of the Bear", outliving several generations of compatriots.  My favorite quote from the game:

"I climb up the back of the statue, and careful to avoid any eye lasers, pull the gem from its forehead."

I am Pigface.

This game was a great deal of fun. I'd played T&T once before as the GM and didn't get it. Combat is slow (argue if you like, but I won't agree), and I didn't get that saving rolls is where it's at. I was using 7.0, which may have been a bit of the problem.

Anyway, I got it this time, and even though we were intentionally over the top, it worked well, and the in-character antagonism combined with out-of-character teamwork was awesomely nuts. I think my favorite part was increasing my Speed stat after getting Advancement Points (Adventure Points? whatever) for running through a door, and imagining my guy speeding up as he ran his 540 lb dwarf ass through a dungeon.

Clinton wrote:
Combat is slow (argue if you like, but I won't agree)

Anyway, I got it this time, and even though we were intentionally over the top, it worked well

I think my favorite part was increasing my Speed stat after getting Advancement Points (Adventure Points? whatever) for running through a door, and imagining my guy speeding up as he ran his 540 lb dwarf ass through a dungeon.

I am Moonrazor, wielder of the flaming vorpal Great Shamsheer, lover of leprechauns, haver of crazy punk hairdos, master of Le Parkour.

This game was the fulfillment of the promise of every dungeon adventure game I have ever played, read, or heard of.

I was so tired by Sunday of the con I could barely stand, but I would not have missed this game if I had to play while lying under the table. T&T was everything I wanted it to be, apparently thanks to Wilhelm's sage interpretation of the canon.

I wish we were playing again this Sunday.

I am Rabbitpunk Asterix, wielder of a mini-crowbar, a leather suit and a face mask. My talent was seducing *anything*.

Greatest moment for me: Trying to seduce an octopus out of the fight. I needed a 40 to succeed, and managed to get a 39.

Things I like about the game: rolling buckets of dice. exploding dice. the shopping list had fun and random stuff on it (crowbar and leather and a face mask! There was a full kink ensemble for me!) The talent.

Thing I disliked about the game (or at least our session): Sometimes it's easy for some characters to get shafted. Moonrazor and Glamrock Rainbow (something like that, sorry for forgetting it Daniel) didn't get to act at all while Pigface charged into the next room and then the next room... because what they wanted to do lay back in the first room. There was a push to keep advancing through the dungeon, and that shafted the characters who weren't charging blindly into the next room.

I'd implement this house rule, personally: if you want to do something and the GM declares the saving throw as a Challenge 1, you can always introduce new elements to increase the Challenge Rating. If I say "I want to seduce the goblin", and you declare it a Challenge 1, then I should be able to say "Oh, but it's recovering from a recent break-up and thus not ready to get entangled in something new, so that increases the Challenge Rating to 2".

I partially suggest this based on how experience works and also because it's lame to know you've totally got something in the bag because it's a low difficulty challenge - tension is fun when rolling buckets of dice!

joepub wrote:
Moonrazor and Glamrock Rainbow (something like that, sorry for forgetting it Daniel) didn't get to act at all while Pigface charged into the next room and then the next room...

I'd implement this house rule, personally: if you want to do something and the GM declares the saving throw as a Challenge 1, you can always introduce new elements to increase the Challenge Rating. If I say "I want to seduce the goblin", and you declare it a Challenge 1, then I should be able to say "Oh, but it's recovering from a recent break-up and thus not ready to get entangled in something new, so that increases the Challenge Rating to 2".