Topic: Carpentry, film criticism and game design
Started by: Jared A. Sorensen
Started on: 6/25/2001
Board: GNS Model Discussion
On 6/25/2001 at 3:11am, Jared A. Sorensen wrote:
Carpentry, film criticism and game design
Hi!
It's nice to see that the FAQ is up and people are talking...but well, there seems to be three types of people when it comes to this model. There are those who buy into it, those who don't and those who want to argue about it.
Get it? Three types of people...
Now, I'm not dismissing anything, nor am I dismissing anyone's opinion (or their right to give their opinion...although like my uncle says, "Opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one.") but I keep wondering to myself why everyone is so concerned with definition of a) games and b) models of game design/play.
If you view the model as a tool (like, for example, a level), then it's best suited for use during the creation process. "Is this surface level?" You lay down the level, check the bubble...okay, it is or it isn't. Then you continue or you correct the problem.
But what I'm seeing is this level being used to check houses that have already been built. Now, like film criticism, I can understand why you'd apply the tool to the finished product...just like you might go over an already-built house to make sure it's all kosher in the "right angles and flat surfaces" department.
So I GET that part. But as Jean-Luc Goddard once said, "The best way to criticize a movie is to make another movie." I don't see discussion leading to creation...I see discussion leading to disareement leading to clarification leading to name-calling. It's high school debate club, talking about the hunger problem in Sudan and then going out to McDonalds after the interstate forensics meet.
Get out of your armchair and write, damn it (or at least play!).
On 6/25/2001 at 11:28pm, Knight wrote:
RE: Carpentry, film criticism and game design
Good criticism is far, far more rare than good creation, and should be cherished accordingly. I find your suggestion disturbingly close to the classic "you can't criticise x unless you've done x" argument.
On 6/26/2001 at 12:31am, greyorm wrote:
RE: Carpentry, film criticism and game design
suggestion disturbingly close to the classic "you can't criticise x unless you've done x" argument.
And...what's wrong with that? Seems very reasonable to state that criticism isn't very good unless it comes from a knowledgable source (ie: someone who has done what you are doing/did).
On 6/26/2001 at 12:43am, Jared A. Sorensen wrote:
RE: Carpentry, film criticism and game design
What I'm saying is "Don't criticize...create!" and let your work speak for itself and for you.
On 6/28/2001 at 5:23am, GreatWolf wrote:
RE: Carpentry, film criticism and game design
On 2001-06-25 20:43, Jared A. Sorensen wrote:
What I'm saying is "Don't criticize...create!" and let your work speak for itself and for you.
This might be a first, folks, so hang on to your hats....
I agree with Jared. :smile:
Seriously. I opted a while ago to bow out of the various Threefold discussions and have participated only insofar as it has had a bearing on my current project. I do have certain opinions, etc., but I have decided that the best way to express them is by creating Alyria. Hopefully it will live up to the hype. (Oh please oh please).
So, Jared, you're spot on. To steal an old tagline of yours, "Stop Playing Games". It's time to apply what we have learned.
Or was that "Stop Gaming Plays"? Hmm. :razz: