Topic: Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
Started by: Ace
Started on: 7/21/2002
Board: The Riddle of Steel
On 7/21/2002 at 6:42pm, Ace wrote:
Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
OK I have on more question, marginally on topic.
Someone on the Pyramid boards asked me about the uses of maces in the 13th century
We don't have much in the way of Fetbuchs on them but I would like to know
In RPG's set in that period were maces in much use?
Were non sword weapons other than poleaxes spears, and axes in use?
If you are doing say TROS, Lionheart- should the mace be a common weapon or fairly rare?
I don't mean the stone headed mace improvised for war but I mean the honest to peter steel headed skull crusher we all know and love
Also are there any good mace use sources out there.
Thanks
On 7/22/2002 at 11:04pm, Lyrax wrote:
RE: Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
I'm not the world's leading historian myself, but I know a few things about maces.
Maces were not extremely popular before the advent of heavy armors, most notably plate armor. Even then, maces were used by either people in much armor or people with good shields (or possibly both).
So, the answer to your question is simple. Everyone who expects to fight heavily armored foes will use mass weapons, such as the beloved skullcrusher. If not, they will rely on swords, polearms and light missile weapons (which can still kill an unshielded foe quite readily) more often.
The question is not about what time period, it is about who is fighting whom. Raiders in the 13th century never expected armored enemies, but most armies did.
On a side note, swords will be used no matter what, but, with armor involved, more half-swording techniques will be performed, and the swords are more likely to be estocs and bastard swords... not longswords and greatswords.
On 7/23/2002 at 4:32pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
I remember a story about William the Conqueror's brother, who, as a cleric, used a mace in battle so as to avoid shedding blood. hehe
It is stories like these that I believe led to the D&D prohibition against clerics using sharp weapons, BTW. Silly.
Anyhow, that was in 1066 or thereabouts, well before the advent of plate armor. Thus, I think that we can attribute early mace use to the clergy who fought in battle. Later, maces became more popular for a wider variety of people, as it becomes a more effective weapon against plate armored foes.
In RPG in that period was the mace in much use?
That looks garbled, could you state the question again?
Were non sword weapons other than poleaxes spears, and axes in use?
Sure, lots. As Lyrax says, though it all depends on who, where. Picks and hammers, for example. Again more for armored foes, and more later, but they were used. There were a bewildering variety of polarms, most just modifications of farm implements. A pitchfork isn't bad in a pinch, as well as sickles, scythes, flails, whatever. Other field expedient weapons occur as well. As a last resort, pick up a large blunt instrument and swing. The club is a time honored weapon.
If you are doing say TROS, Lionheart- should the mace be a common weapon or fairly rare?
FWIW, Friar tuck used a morning star in the Erol Flynn Robin Hood movie in the big fight scene. ;-)
Mike
On 7/24/2002 at 2:13am, Ace wrote:
RE: Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
Sorry about the bad edit. I thought English was my first language...
Maybe its Engrish--- All your Riddle of Steel are belong to us, you have no die pool, degree of 4 hit, make your time or something. :)
Thanks for the feedback
On 7/26/2002 at 5:31am, Lyrax wrote:
RE: Maces and 13th century settings- TROS Lionheart
I thought that was Much, the Miller's son using that mace.