Topic: GNS Definitions
Started by: coreyclark
Started on: 7/22/2002
Board: GNS Model Discussion
On 7/22/2002 at 6:05pm, coreyclark wrote:
GNS Definitions
I am new to the discussion. Would anyone provide a brief definition of each.
Thanks.
On 7/22/2002 at 6:13pm, jburneko wrote:
RE: GNS Definitions
Hello and Welcome!
Brief definitions tend to do more harm than good because they tend to be quick-and-dirty and thus imprecise and introduce all kinds of confusion.
Instead, I offer the main source of the GNS discussion which is Ron's essay which can be found here:
http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/gns/gns_introduction.html
That should provide you with the foundations of the theory. Once you've read that, feel free to make any comments and ask all the questions you like.
Jesse
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On 7/22/2002 at 6:18pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
RE: GNS Definitions
Hi Corey,
Welcome to the Forge!
No one could accuse it of being "brief," but the main reference for GNS is in the Articles section of the Forge, an article by me called GNS and related matters.
To be brief, though, GNS refers to how people play in terms of decisions and goals. Everyone wants to have "fun" through play, but how people have fun can be really different. Gamist, Simulationist, and Narrativist play represent the three main priorities that I and others have observed.
Gamist play: prioritizing competitive strategy or "winning"
Simulationist play: prioritizing imagining in-game-world processes and events
Narrativist play: prioritizing generating and resolving emotionally-engaging conflicts
A lot of common distinctions like "roll vs. role playing," "story-oriented," and "realism" are specifically not included in the above definitions.
A big part of the dialogue here at the Forge is dedicated to recognizing them all as valid, even if a particular person doesn't like or enjoy all of them.
The three GNS categories do not describe everything about role-playing, not at all. They themselves are subsets of only one aspect of the process.
Best,
Ron
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On 7/23/2002 at 1:11am, Zak Arntson wrote:
RE: GNS Definitions
I'd also like to add that calling a player Gamist is short for "a player who tends to make Gamist decisions during play", and a Gamist rpg is short for "an rpg which focuses decision-priority on Gamism". Just replace "Gamist" with "Simulationiost" or "Narrativist" and voila!
I've been bitten in the butt by this one so many times.
On 7/23/2002 at 1:11pm, Paganini wrote:
Re: GNS Definitions
coreyclark wrote: I am new to the discussion. Would anyone provide a brief definition of each.
Once you've read Ron's document as mentioned by other posters, you can check out this thread. A lot of Ron's terms are not obvious, and don't mean what you would expect at face value. This thread has quick definitions for Ron's terms if you need your memory jogged while posting.
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On 7/23/2002 at 1:21pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
RE: GNS Definitions
Hi Corey,
Well, that's about as much "brief" definition as I think this thread can stand. Everyone, let's lay off the nuances and discussion until Corey confirms it - otherwise we'll starting talkin' to one another rather than addressing the purpose of the thread.
The only other thing I can think of to contribute, at this point, is the Seven Major Misconceptions thread.
Corey, let us know - questions? Comments?
Best,
Ron
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