I've been laboring over this concept for some time, but just recently had all the wheels click into place in my head. First, the Color pitch:

Growing up. It's a time enshrined as blissful, innocent, simple—but that's a lie. Truth is, "growing up" is not for the faint of heart or fragile of soul; it's a treacherous ground of confusion, heartache, isolation and pain. The ones who shepherd you have no clue how to comprehend you, much less help you, and those in it with you are too wrapped up in their own pains, neck deep in a sea of sorrows, to to reach out to you in yours. Growing up is trauma. Maturity is bought with blood. But it must be done.

There is one hope. There is a land, perhaps in the woodland's heart, perhaps over the rainbow, perhaps in your own backyard, where magic dwells and enchantment rules, to which you can flee from cruel cliques and wicked step-parents and unrequited love. A land of Faerie where a bewildered boy can find wonder and excitement and a lonely girl can find beauty and delight. But it is no escape. It is a world of exacting rules and deadly dangers; its beauty has fangs and its adventures, a price. It has destroyed a thousand children before you and will gladly consume you as well. It cannot be fled, it must be faced. And the menace of Faerie is nothing more or less than what you bring with you to it.

There lies your adventure. Have you bravery enough to wrestle with demons? Wisdom enough to resist beguilement? Nerve enough to grow up? Come then into the...

[center]Tragic Dominion[/center]

(Note that I'm kicking around several title ideas; isomething with Dusk perhaps. If I pick a different one it'll be reworked into the text above.)

So how it works in a nutshell is: the game has three player roles--Light Faerie, Dark Faerie, and the Hero/Heroine. You start by narrating the Heroine's mundane circumstances; the Heroine player will describe positive and negative qualities of their character, the Light Faerie describes how a supportive or sympathetic person responds, the Dark Faerie describes how an unsympathetic or abusive person responds.

Then the real shit begins--a Faerie Nemesis takes the stage, taking or threatening something of the Heroine. The character must go into Faerie to complete a quest to get it back, become whole, and so forth. The Dark Faerie will portray the Nemesis and all obstacles and enemies, and the Light Faerie will play Faerie allies the heroine encounters on her journey.

Now, how this all proceeds is, the Nemesis and his Powers, the Allies, and the Heroine's Qualities are all cards on the table with light and dark stones on them. The Heroine encounters obstacles and overcomes them, the stones get shuffled around and used up. When a card runs out of stones, the last player with stones on it decides how that thing is Transformed. And when the stones all run out, whichever stones are on the table last, Light or Dark, tell us respectively whether the Heroine gets to go back home and carry her transformation back to her mundane life, or whether she stays in Faerie forever.

This all looks very smooth in terms of the overall procedure. What I'm still struggling with is narration down in the trenches as it relates to some specific mechanics. The game proceeds in a sort of free play, the Heroine narrating her progress in exploring Faerie, the Light Faerie narrating her Allies' actions and and the Dark Faerie describing what she encounters. This continues until the Dark Faerie introduces an Obstacle, by reaching for Stones off one of his cards--the Nemesis directly or one of his Powers--and introducing some present danger stemming from it. He puts the amount of stones he chose and places them in a bag, and the Heroine answers with a Gift or Flaw and chooses a number of stones from that card to put in the bag. The Heroine player then pulls a stone blindly from the bag; if it's a Light Stone, she assigns it to one of her cards OR to the card the Dark Faerie used, and narrates passing the obstacle beneficially through the use of that card's element. If it's a Dark Stone, the Dark Faerie assigns it to one of his cards OR the card the Heroine used, and narrates her passing the obstacle in a negative way (misdirected, lost, in danger, or otherwise unpleasant) due to that element.

Also, the Light Faerie can have an Ally step in to aid or protect the Heroine, placing THEIR stones in the bag and proceeding in place of the Heroine for that Obstacle.

So the thing is, once you've got Stones piled up on an opposing player's cards, you can pull THEM for Obstacle tests, using that element against its owner. AND when all the stones are gone from a card, it Transforms for good, resolving that element of the story, and whoever had the last stone on it decides HOW.

What I'm wondering about is, there are times when a player narrates what happens based on another player's qualities. In an antagonistic framework. So if a Heroine has a Flaw "Spoiled," say, then she gets to steamroll over opposition at first by pitching fits, manipulating and strongarming others, and the like. But once the Dark Faerie sinks some points into "Spoiled," then he gets to say "your spoiled-ness presents an Obstacle to you, here and now," and describe how.

So what does that look like in the SIS? Do you describe another character's actions directly? "So there's a guardian at the Castle gate and he says his standard 'none shall pass' thing, and you get all up in his face and he gets offended and throws you in a dungeon!" Or describe the result of spoiled-ness already evident? "OK so when you yell and stamp your foot and call the guard nasty names, he gets all offended and throws you in a dungeon!" Or what?

It's even more extreme in the case of Transforming a card. If the Dark Faerie gets to Transform "Spoiled," to "Take-No-Prisoners Bitch" let's say, does he narrate for the Heroine through the whole thing? "So upon escaping the dungeon something snaps inside you. You march right into the Troll King's banquet hall, claim to be a Princess of the Far-Off Land of Pasadena, humiliate the guard and get him punished, and demand recompense from the treasury. You storm off in smug satisfaction." Or do you get the ball rolling and kick it to the Heroine player? "So upon escaping from the dungeon something snaps inside you. What does that look like and what do you do about it?"

I recognize it's a totally valid mode of play to dispense with player-character sanctity, but I haven't done much of it and I want to enter into it extremely advisedly. I wish I had more experience with PTA narration rights. Thoughts?

Peace,
-Joel

Well done!

My preference --  if I was playing your game, I would want to be responsible for how my character reacts to things, whether or not it actually turns out that way.  I want to make the decision.

So with the dark stone spoiled thing, in this type of story, the dark fairy observes a weakness it can exploit, and presents a challenge that is designed to illicit that response.  But its a trap, right?  If the heroine falls for it (uses spoiled) she suffers consequences, but if she has learned anything along the journey, she might react to the trap in a different way that will defeat it.

So yeah, I think (somehow) it still has to be the heroines choice as to whether to react in a spoiled way to whatever obstacles present.  but the way I read your summary, the dark faiery just says here is an obstacle and you will use spoiled on it and you will suffer these consequences?

I think you can make a distinction between allowing someone to narrate a character's actions, and simply providing creative constraints for those actions. Couldn't you just say "here's a scene where your spoiled nature leads to a problem", and then leave it to the heroine to roleplay the details of how that happens?

Stefoid,

stefoid wrote:
Well done!

stefoid wrote:
So with the dark stone spoiled thing, in this type of story, the dark fairy observes a weakness it can exploit, and presents a challenge that is designed to illicit that response.  But its a trap, right?  If the heroine falls for it (uses spoiled) she suffers consequences, but if she has learned anything along the journey, she might react to the trap in a different way that will defeat it.

stefoid wrote: So yeah, I think (somehow) it still has to be the heroines choice as to whether to react in a spoiled way to whatever obstacles present.  but the way I read your summary, the dark faiery just says here is an obstacle and you will use spoiled on it and you will suffer these consequences?

PeterBB wrote:
I think you can make a distinction between allowing someone to narrate a character's actions, and simply providing creative constraints for those actions. Couldn't you just say "here's a scene where your spoiled nature leads to a problem", and then leave it to the heroine to roleplay the details of how that happens?

I was just thinking that your general theme dosnt have to apply only to a faery setting.  It would probably apply euqally to a number of settings where the general theme of "hero goes on quest, is thwarted along the way, gets through with help of mysterious alies" etc...  For all I know its probably baked into every culture Joseph Cambell style in some way or another. 

Joel wrote:
So how it works in a nutshell is: the game has three player roles--Light Faerie, Dark Faerie, and the Hero/Heroine. You start by narrating the Heroine's mundane circumstances; the Heroine player will describe positive and negative qualities of their character, the Light Faerie describes how a supportive or sympathetic person responds, the Dark Faerie describes how an unsympathetic or abusive person responds.

Then the real shit begins--a Faerie Nemesis takes the stage, taking or threatening something of the Heroine. The character must go into Faerie to complete a quest to get it back, become whole, and so forth. The Dark Faerie will portray the Nemesis and all obstacles and enemies, and the Light Faerie will play Faerie allies the heroine encounters on her journey.

Stefoid,

stefoid wrote:
I was just thinking that your general theme dosnt have to apply only to a faery setting.  It would probably apply euqally to a number of settings where the general theme of "hero goes on quest, is thwarted along the way, gets through with help of mysterious alies" etc...  For all I know its probably baked into every culture Joseph Cambell style in some way or another.

Brendan wrote:

Joel wrote:
So how it works in a nutshell is: the game has three player roles--Light Faerie, Dark Faerie, and the Hero/Heroine. You start by narrating the Heroine's mundane circumstances; the Heroine player will describe positive and negative qualities of their character, the Light Faerie describes how a supportive or sympathetic person responds, the Dark Faerie describes how an unsympathetic or abusive person responds.

Then the real shit begins--a Faerie Nemesis takes the stage, taking or threatening something of the Heroine. The character must go into Faerie to complete a quest to get it back, become whole, and so forth. The Dark Faerie will portray the Nemesis and all obstacles and enemies, and the Light Faerie will play Faerie allies the heroine encounters on her journey.

Brendan,

Do the light and dark faerie exist as characters in the story, or are they just abstract forces?

Brendan wrote:

Joel wrote:
So how it works in a nutshell is: the game has three player roles--Light Faerie, Dark Faerie, and the Hero/Heroine. You start by narrating the Heroine's mundane circumstances; the Heroine player will describe positive and negative qualities of their character, the Light Faerie describes how a supportive or sympathetic person responds, the Dark Faerie describes how an unsympathetic or abusive person responds.

Then the real shit begins--a Faerie Nemesis takes the stage, taking or threatening something of the Heroine. The character must go into Faerie to complete a quest to get it back, become whole, and so forth. The Dark Faerie will portray the Nemesis and all obstacles and enemies, and the Light Faerie will play Faerie allies the heroine encounters on her journey.

or the faun from Pan's Labyrinth.

The faun is a pretty ambiguous figure, from what I recall.  It probably qualifies as the Light Faerie, the Dark Faerie, and the Faerie Nemesis all in one.

Ambiguity is cool. There's a reason I didn't call them "Bad Faerie" and "Good Faerie", or "Evil Faerie" and "Good Faerie." :)

For that matter, I don't use the words "success" and "failure" in the game.