Is it a mistake in the combat sim that if both fighter throw red dice for initiative it resolves that phase and goes straight back to throwing for initiative and dice refresh without playing out the second phase of the round? It also happens when one combatant chooses not to defend but attacks instead.
So if Stefan attacks and arming guy decides not to defend but attacks back it resloves the effect for each then goes straight to refresh.
Aaron

Nope, that's the way it's supposed to work. In an attack/attack situation, combat rounds only last a single exchange.

Brian.

That's interesting.. Did you know that it makes beat an obsolete maneuver? Likewise Toss in nearly all cases wont work either.
Let me explain. Stefan chooses beat and puts 8 dice into it. All Arming Guy has to do is declare a 1 pt atack to anywhere, and he is going to have the dice as its the 1st phase. Stefan gets heaps of successes effectively stopping Arming guys attack knocking his sword aside etc. But because arming guy chose to attack we go to partial pause initiative and refresh where both fighters get ALL their dice back.

Same with toss. As long as the person at the receiving end can take any kind of swing at all all dice a refreshed and the toss does nothing.
Since dodging a toss is pointless( Lets throw away a die so we get a 4 in 10 chance of not having to throw one away....?) the only way to combat a toss is not defend but attack.

This short round seems to give the fighter without initiative a HUGE advantage. My opponent and I have 12 dice each and both use sword and shield. I have init and attack with 7 dice. My opponent automatically decides to use sim block strike. He put 8 into block and 4 in attack. So we resolve that phase and somehow my opponent missed me. he used all his dice and I had 5 remaining but do I get to run him through. No, we go to refresh! This effectively means that the fighter without initiative can put all his dice into the 1st phase without fear of retribution.

Die pool penalties from beats, duck and weaves, tosses et al are applied AFTER dice get refreshed, not before. Otherwise you would be correct.

So, to use your example...

Let me explain. Stefan chooses beat and puts 8 dice into it. All Arming Guy has to do is declare a 1 pt atack to anywhere, and he is going to have the dice as its the 1st phase. Stefan gets heaps of successes effectively stopping Arming guys attack knocking his sword aside etc. But because arming guy chose to attack we go to partial pause initiative and refresh where both fighters get ALL their dice back.

I should point out that the sim has a little bug in it.

There are times when one of the combatants has ran out of Dice Pool, he still has to make a choice of the maneuver. But since the pool is empty, no action can be selected - this leads to a situation where the whole thing is deadlocked and the only possiblity is to close the program and start over.


Wizdoc

It's not a bug - I can't always force a player to keep dice for the second exchange. If you have no dice left as the offensive player, all you do is click "Make no attack", which passes control to the other player.

No deadlock.

Brian.

Brian Leybourne wrote:

Try out the combat sim, and you'll see how it works.

Brian.

Aaron wrote: How can they be applied after refresh if the loss on beat and toss is immediate...?
So I just tried the sym again. Arming guy has 13 CP uses them all in a beat. Stefan chooses to thrust back with all of his 10. Arming guy gets 7 successes causing Stefan to loose 14 dice. As the beat is successful Stefan's attack does not go through. But since both declared an attack we end the round early, roll init and refresh and.......Stefan has all 10 CP again..hmmm...
Same thing with toss...Neither carry over into refresh if initative dice are thrown.

Aaron wrote: I have had a problem similar to Wizdoc but only when one combatant has run out of dice due to shock or pain and has none even after refresh. He accidently throws red dice initative and 'make no attack' is not an option.

Brian Leybourne wrote: b]Make no attack didn't seem to be a valid option when you throw a red die to me, which is why it's not in there. You have a valid point, but the simple answer is not to throw a red die if you have no dice in your CP :-)


Brian.

Brian Leybourne wrote:
Maybe next time I update (after I finish the character generator) I'll put in a check to see if the player has zero dice in his CP, and if so refuse to let him throw red.

I second the undo option. It woudl be nice.

Alos, would it be possible to add the ability to use a die from your CP on a slash/bash for extra damage to the sim?

Irmo wrote: How about an "undo" option to undo your last click? I occasionally found myself in a position where that would have been necessary -e.g. clicking a specific maneuver only to find out that CP penalties I didn't think of make any such maneuver impossible.

Alos, would it be possible to add the ability to use a die from your CP on a slash/bash for extra damage to the sim?