Topic: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
Started by: Ron Edwards
Started on: 1/29/2003
Board: RPG Theory
On 1/29/2003 at 4:10pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
Hey,
Can anyone provide the basic link to Turku role-playing, a.k.a. the Dogma, a.k.a. Elaayj ... agh, can't remember the spelling, hence need the link?
Sorry 'bout interfering with the hefty discussions.
Best,
Ron
On 1/29/2003 at 4:15pm, Jared A. Sorensen wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
The main Turku site seems to be gone for now (server failure, perhaps?). I found this link: http://www.thelarper.org/archivearticles/edition_1/manifesto.html
Crazy Finns.
On 1/29/2003 at 4:42pm, jrs wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
The Internet Archive has a copy of the Turku Manifesto as presented on the web on April 19, 2001
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On 1/29/2003 at 4:58pm, Jack Spencer Jr wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
The web page for the Turku Manefesto is not more. I had printed out the Manefesto at some point and if I find it, I'll let you know (I printed out a lot of shit at one point)
However, the author is here: http://users.utu.fi/mijupo/ Maybe you could email him.
EDIT: Thanks to Julie's link, I have compiles the text from the website, all six chapters of the manefesto, both forewords, the Vow of Chastity, and the glossary into an RTF document in case it gets lost again. If anyone wants it, just ask.
On 1/30/2003 at 7:10am, wraeththu wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
For an oddly related but non-rpg link...
http://www.dogme95.dk/the_vow/index.htm
Check out the Dogme Film Movement. Championed by Lars von Triers of "The Kingdom" and "Dancer in the Dark" fame.
-wade jones
dialectic LLC
On 1/30/2003 at 8:39am, Johannes wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
The term is "eläytyjist" it could be translated as immersionist or identifyist. It seems that the four drives which contained the site have all been destroyed (sounds dramatic).
This "dogme" and "school" movement is quite popular here in Scandinavia - in Norway and Finnland at least. It mainly a LARP thingie. I hope the Turku site will be up soon. I recommend it to everybody who is interested in RPG theory but doesn't take hime/herself too seriously. In Finnland everybody who has written something about RPG theory found his/her own school:-) I guess I will become the "Just north of the Helsinginkatu and few blocks left -school" when I present my thesis. The Turku page had also links to other manifestos and schools. They are worth checking.
On 1/30/2003 at 1:13pm, James Holloway wrote:
RE: link hunt! for the Finnish Dogma stuff
wraeththu wrote: For an oddly related but non-rpg link...
http://www.dogme95.dk/the_vow/index.htm
Check out the Dogme Film Movement. Championed by Lars von Triers of "The Kingdom" and "Dancer in the Dark" fame.
-wade jones
dialectic LLC
It's not that oddly related. The Dogme LARP manifesto is almost certainly an imitation of Dogme 95.
- James