All,

I'm still slowly slogging through a complete re-write/draft of my game: Incarnate. It's slow going - but I'm committed to finishing sometime this century.

As stated in the design goals, I'm trying to facilitate Gamist prioritization during play with the mechanics as much as possible, with secondary support for Narrativist prioritization during play.

The issue at hand: does the game have to have some form of numerical/points based/balanced character generation in order to appeal to those who want a 'Gamist' game?

Related to this issue is the fact that the game is designed to pit the Seneschal (Game Master) against the players and the players against each other - but at the same time it's trying to get everyone to make some meta-game/story decisions via Consensus.

Currently, Consensus is enforced by penalizing the points that each player has to create their character. Put another way, if a given player wants control of a given story/setting element in a way that's contrary to the prevailing consensus within the Troupe, they have to give up a portion of their character's starting power to get it.

In playtests, the issue of "open-ended" vs "points/balanced" character generation has been one of the most contentious in terms of how (subjectively) fun the game is to play. My players who tend to exhibit Narrativist leanings favor the former, while my players who tend to exhibit Gamist leanings favor the latter. In general, both camps of players are relatively satisfied that they can co-exist within the context of the game - with the exception of the Character Generation rules.

Here is the game text on Consensus.

Here is the game text on Story Setup.

Finally, here is the game text on Character Creation.

I haven't had time to trasfer a new outline of the rules in play to my website - but if everyone feels that that information is needed to answer this question I may try and get them updated ASAP.

Thanks,


Jason

Taking the question in the abstract, the worst thing you can do in character creation in a gamist game is give any player the impression that he's gotten short shrift. Particularly in a game where players are opponents, each needs to believe that he got a fair deal, whether because random generation was part of the risk or because he spent his points as he thought best.

Similarly, if they are competing against the referee, they have to feel that the referee is constrained in some manner that prevents him from winning outright.

This might not be what you meant, but from what you said, I would say that it is of prime importance to the chargen system that the players feel they've gotten a fair deal at the start.

--M. J. Young

M.J.;

Thanks for the reply - and I appreciate the advice, and I understand that players who tend to have Gamist decision making priorities will want to make sure that everyone at the table is starting on the same playing field.

My question, however, is whether or not a points-based character generation or random character generation is required to acheive this perception of balance, or if a free-form character generation with a social contract mechanism for enforcement of balance will work?

My gaming group is rather insular, and I don't have a sense of how well they represent other players. They are split on this issue, and I can see both sides of it. Some like the idea of free-form character generation with a Social Contract mechanism to enforce starting balance, others say that a points based system is required. I've used both in playtest, and neither one from my perspetive seems to hurt play.

Again, I appreciate your thoughts.

Cheers,

Jason

Hey there,

You wrote,

My question, however, is whether or not a points-based character generation or random character generation is required to acheive this perception of balance, or if a free-form character generation with a social contract mechanism for enforcement of balance will work?