Ok, how does avoiding missile fire work?

I figure a full or partial evasion (probably full, since it's easier to pull off) would cover someone who is not blocking an arrow with a shield, but would you simply use basic Reflex to perform the evasion?

arxhon wrote: Ok, how does avoiding missile fire work?

I figure a full or partial evasion (probably full, since it's easier to pull off) would cover someone who is not blocking an arrow with a shield, but would you simply use basic Reflex to perform the evasion?

Someone might look this up, but I believe the book says it's a partial evade.

jake

My gut says the following:

Nobody can just dodge missiles. Almost anything moving fast enough to impart significant KE from a lightweight projectile is going to be moving right along. Sling stones, arrows, bolts, what have you, are all light missiles that get their damage from speed. Thrown weapons that are heavier, such as axes or something, might be moving slowly enough to be different, but I'm not sure.

That means that evading a projectile has to begin well before the shot is fired. Someone who knows he's under fire will do just what people do today: Stay low, move erratically, etc.. I'm not holding my book at the moment, but isn't there an ATN modifier for target movement? If there isn't, maybe something like slow movement = +1 ATN, fast movement = +2, irregular movement another +1 on top of the speed modifier.

That way, a guy who's actively dodging missile fire by running, weaving, feinting, etc., would be a LOT harder to hit than a guy standing still or a guy walking from one point to another.

This makes some sense to me. But "dodging" after the missile is loosed? No way.

I guess the difference turns on this: One is making yourself a more difficult target by making it harder for the archer (or whatever) to know which volume you'll be occupying at a given moment, whereas the other involves trying to get out of a particular space in the time between when the arrow is released and when it gets to where you are.

I do it like this, if the player is aware that he is being shot at I let him dodge using reflex unless he can justify his action allowing his full CP (sometimes its valid). but if the projectile is in the air, well, sorry- Hope you have some luck die ready.

Reason being is that an erratic but unaware opponent is difficult to hit, an aware opponent actively avoiding your aim is opposition to your shot thus the added contested rolls INSTEAD of erratic movement penalty.

This is ofcourse my in house rule.

As an archer, myself, I would say it's very possible to dodge direct missle fire (from a single shooter in sight) without all the running and weaving. If you can see it coming, you can get out of the way. Though, if you hear the bow twang, you're probally dead, but if you see the release, you've got a chance. Some people (with years of training) have been known to catch the darn things (and I don't mean by the pointy end). Hell, a few weeks ago I was successfully dodgeing paintballs and my fitness level is not to good these days. If you can see it, you can most likly dodge. It's usually not the one you see that gets you, it's his bastard friend that shoots you in the kidney from the side while you're distracted.
Having evaded a fair number of rocks and baseballs, the 'slower' heavier missiles should be considerably easier. It's catching them thats the tricky part. But don't try that with darts, no matter how sober you are.

In dodging arrows (and this is surmise, not experience of course) I'd imagine it's the same principle as dodging bullets; dodge immediately before they release. If you dodge too soon, they can adjust their aim. If you dodge too late, you're likely not going to get out of the way in time. But if you dodge precisely before they release, you will not be there when the projectile reaches where you were.

So dodging is perfectly feasible.

Wolfen wrote: In dodging arrows (and this is surmise, not experience of course) I'd imagine it's the same principle as dodging bullets; dodge immediately before they release. If you dodge too soon, they can adjust their aim. If you dodge too late, you're likely not going to get out of the way in time. But if you dodge precisely before they release, you will not be there when the projectile reaches where you were.

Wolfen wrote: In dodging arrows (and this is surmise, not experience of course) I'd imagine it's the same principle as dodging bullets; dodge immediately before they release. If you dodge too soon, they can adjust their aim. If you dodge too late, you're likely not going to get out of the way in time. But if you dodge precisely before they release, you will not be there when the projectile reaches where you were.

So dodging is perfectly feasible.

If someone is shooting at you, and you're moving to avoid being hit, you're dodging bullets, IMO. Obviously matrix-style dodging bullets is impossible (or at least so improbable as to be basically impossible).

The principle is still the same, so says I. If someone is standing close enough to you for you to see that they're actually aiming the bow directly at you and you wait until the arrow is loosed to begin moving out of the way, the chances of you doing so successfully are between slim and none. Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Wolfen wrote: If someone is shooting at you, and you're moving to avoid being hit, you're dodging bullets, IMO. Obviously matrix-style dodging bullets is impossible (or at least so improbable as to be basically impossible).

The principle is still the same, so says I. If someone is standing close enough to you for you to see that they're actually aiming the bow directly at you and you wait until the arrow is loosed to begin moving out of the way, the chances of you doing so successfully are between slim and none. Not impossible, but highly improbable.

I've been flipping through the book and i am unable to find where dodging missile fire it mentioned. Anyone help me out?

arxhon wrote: I've been flipping through the book and i am unable to find where dodging missile fire it mentioned. Anyone help me out?

Cool, thanks Ben.