Topic: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
Started by: cruciel
Started on: 5/30/2003
Board: GNS Model Discussion
On 5/30/2003 at 6:10pm, cruciel wrote:
Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
I'm really curious about something as it relates to the Beeg Horseshoe Theory Revisited thread.
Mike Holmes wrote: That said, I was just going to say to Jason that I too tend to make decisions in the Hi-Fi/Nar corner.
That's two.
I'm gonna take a walk out onto that limb blowing around in the storm - the one that's about to snap - and say that almost all if not every current Simulationist could be more comfortably defined by High Fidelity|Story Now.
It's sort of a poll.
Chime in if you fit the mold and chime in if you think the Jason is full of crap.
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On 5/30/2003 at 6:56pm, Valamir wrote:
RE: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
Limited to people on this site, or who are similiar to people on this site?
That might not be a completely absurd generalization.
But as a generalization about the gaming public at large. I'd guess High Fidelity/Gamist is more common.
On 5/30/2003 at 7:01pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
Valamir wrote: Limited to people on this site, or who are similiar to people on this site?
That might not be a completely absurd generalization.
But as a generalization about the gaming public at large. I'd guess High Fidelity/Gamist is more common.
Actually I'd think that Middle or Uncaring Fidelity/Gamist would be the most common. That is, they care about the challenge and will be Hi-Fidelity only when it doesn't interfere in any way with overcoming the challenge. And some don't go that far, focusing on the Gamism so much that they don't really consider the Fidelity angle much at all. Leaving their play with very mixed results. (That's why they kill the baby kobolds, jk).
Mike
On 5/30/2003 at 7:05pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
How is High Fidelity|Story Now not El Dorado, the desire for story to emerge from the quiet hum of a system that doesn't break suspension of disbelief?
Paul
On 5/30/2003 at 7:29pm, cruciel wrote:
RE: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
Paul Czege wrote: How is High Fidelity|Story Now not El Dorado, the desire for story to emerge from the quiet hum of a system that doesn't break suspension of disbelief?
Well...it is sort of like saying a Sim/Nar hybrid. The distinctions I see are that there is no priority Transition going on and it doesn't necessarily relate to system. Hi-Fi|Story Now is a single goal and I don't see why you would even need a system to play that way. Though, I'm betting people who would define themselves as El Dorado players would be the same players who would define themselves as Hi-Fi|Story Now.
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As for Hi-Fi versus Lo-Fi Gamists being the majority, not sure. My experience is that Gamists aren't the majority anyway, but my experience is limitted to my age group / social strata. But, of the Gamist approaches I'm familiar with Lo-Fi seems to be the majority.
I don't think Simulationists are in any danger of being defined as Lo-Fi, so the contest seems to be pretty much between Hi-Fi|Story Now and Hi-Fi|Challenge.
On 5/30/2003 at 7:42pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: Hi-Fi or Sim Poll (split from Horseshoe 2)
Paul Czege wrote: How is High Fidelity|Story Now not El Dorado, the desire for story to emerge from the quiet hum of a system that doesn't break suspension of disbelief?
Depends on definitions.
But for practical purposes that do not involve simultaneous sharing of power, this is the promised land as I have said before (Fang would get there by Going with a Fidelity that was High only via open illusion). What's still true, however, is that some decisions that are very Thematic, or very high Fidelity require lowering the other. That's still true; the corner remains somewhat elusive. What this means is that El Dorado is not a place on the map that you can stand all the time. It's only something that you can push for.
So as a cosistent play style, no it doesn't exist, IMO. But as an ideal, sure.
Edited to note that Jason said this better just above. Those who want El Dorado have to settle for HiFi/Nar. But that's just fine by me. Hero Wars isn't really HiFi, but high enough for me.
Mike