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Topic: incubating a GenCon demo
Started by: Paul Czege
Started on: 7/10/2003
Board: My Life With Master Playtest


On 7/10/2003 at 8:16pm, Paul Czege wrote:
incubating a GenCon demo

Hey Mike,

Paul, are you coming up with a demo pack for this? That is, pregens and master and all worked out before hand?

This is what I want to do, but I've been super brain fried since shipping the game text to the printer. What I've been trying to come up with is a fairly traditional Master, no Dadaist collectors or anything like that, and four minion PCs. I'm thinking two quick scenes per PC in 30-40 minutes is do-able, even leaving some time for explaining the ordinary course of things like Master creation that are necessarily outside the scope of the demo. Individual minions' stats would be chosen to provide the opportunity for that character to demonstrate The Horror Revealed, or violence, and getting Love, etc.

I've been considering using Aloysius Dees, from our playtest last year, but actually he's become a bit shopworn. What do you think of a Master with a reptiles theme?

Paul

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On 7/10/2003 at 8:44pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Paul Czege wrote: What do you think of a Master with a reptiles theme?

Sure, let's work him out here. How about a collector on an island? I've gotta have my island. I'm thinking some island in the Black Sea with a fort on it if you want to keep it per the "standard setting". Otherwise an island in the remote East Indies during late colonial times would be very cool, and would work with the lizard thing even better. Or maybe a British manor on an island in the Nile with crocodiles all about?

http://www.aegypten-fotos.de/assuan/04-36_e.htm

Mike

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On 7/10/2003 at 8:59pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Note: the previous two posts were split from the "demo henchmen" thread.

Hey Mike...that photo looks great, but can we keep it to genericized Europe, 1805? Maybe an island in a major river?

Paul

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On 7/10/2003 at 10:01pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Sheesh, you're a stickler. The problem is that there are no large reptiles in all of Europe (Tortoises measuring 14" or so are the largest).

OK, so obviously he's a traveler who's been to the East Indies and returned with some reptiles (Crocs, Komodo Dragons, Iguanas, etc). He lives on an island in the Adriatic with his castle on one end, and a small fishing village on the other.

How's that?

Mike

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On 7/11/2003 at 3:59am, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

I'm cool with that. Needs, Wants? Anyone?

Paul

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On 7/11/2003 at 3:38pm, Paul's Girl wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

I don't know if a collector works with the reptile thing, you almost need a...I forgot what its called a maker, a breeder? How can you have a collector of exotic things? No one would be able to get them for him. Maybe he wants to create reptile men or turn himself into a large lizard. Or how about he wants to create an setting for the reptiles that he brought back, like a reptile zoo. Of course he's going to need fresh meat for them, pets or livestock?

Just to get the ball rolling.

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On 7/11/2003 at 4:19pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Fresh meat, big deal. He wants human women, 'cause he's figuring out some way for them to mate with the reptiles.

Just harking back to Paul's old fantasy game, with those gecko guys.

Best,
Ron

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On 7/11/2003 at 4:37pm, Paul's Girl wrote:
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yeah, I was thinking that, for the demo, that the games steered away from sexual subjects. I know that actual acts don't have to take place, (being subjected to public sodomy in the last MLwM game, in which it did) but people still might be uncomfortable or think that the game has to be explicit. Um, not to burst any bubbles...

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On 7/11/2003 at 4:56pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
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No sex? (pause) (looks blank)

Oh! I know ... he's surgically combining human women with the reptiles. Or children. Or anyone. Whoever.

But surgical combination, there ya go.

Best,
Ron

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On 7/11/2003 at 6:52pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Hey...the sex thing is a good point. I can only imagine how challenging it must have been for Scott running Charnel Gods for those teenage girls last year. Who wants to be dragged away from the convention center in cuffs? Not me. I guess I was thinking if the players were young, that I'd keep the graphic details off camera. "Ivan, take miss Holly and lock her into the cistern with Boastopholes." But actually, avoiding the sex issue is probably for the best.

So...surgery it is. How about Needs? Wants? The nature of the Outsiders?

Paul

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On 7/11/2003 at 9:44pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Ha, I knew that if I put him on an island, that I'd get my Dr. Moreau! Bwahahahahahah!

What does he want from outsiders? Well, Moreau would want accolades from scientific types that his work was important, revolutionary. But let's try to get away from that.

How about he wants to be seen as a new savior by the clergy? He's creating Jesus Christ Supercrock. He thinks that he's creating a new breed of superbeing to replace humanity, one that combines the cunning of humans with the cool emotionlessness of the reptile. Oh, he can't show the church officials his creations yet...but he can schmooze them, and impress them with his super-moral existence. That is, he comports himself like a saint in most cases.

Except when it comes to his servants and aides, etc. Some of which will undoubtedly be failed experiments (which he no doubt blames them for; they simply weren't worthy of the surgery or it would have turned out better). So what he's looking for is the perfect human to become half of the perfect superbeing.

Or something like that? What do you think?

Mike

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On 7/11/2003 at 9:51pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Yeah, Mike, I was thinking about the master continuing to refine and refine just which humans were "good enough" to get utilized back when I suggested the Naughty Bits version. It works just as well here.

Perhaps the minions might even be competing, or potentially competing, to bring him the best one ...

Best,
Ron

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On 7/12/2003 at 2:19pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

He thinks that he's creating a new breed of superbeing to replace humanity, one that combines the cunning of humans with the cool emotionlessness of the reptile.

This is beautiful. What do you think of replacing "cunning of humans" with "creativity of humans"? He would be operating (heh) from the belief that human creativity and inventiveness is somehow held back from greatness by our sympathies and emotions.

I like the Outsiders as clergy too.

Riffing on the whole reptiles + surgery thing, I'm thinking the Master has one reptilian eye, that he got somehow, and that the story behind it is what's driving him. Any thoughts on what that might be?

Anyone care to suggest a minion...More than Human, Less than Human, and a couple of Connections?

Paul

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On 7/14/2003 at 8:53pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

All sounds good to me, Paul. He got the eye from a Naga (as in the culture) priest in northern India who gave it to him for tresspassing on a holy site by using ancient surgical techniques. Instead of driving him mad, it drove him mad. That is, the treatment was intended as a punishment designed to drive a person batty, but for our resilient master, he instead got delusions of grandeur. I dunno, something like that.

Name has to be something like Comte Kostandin Oserpiste.


Here's a quick minion.

Name: Serge Franzini
Weariness: 3
Self Loeathing: 0

Serg is the major Domo of the castle. He is the typical immaculate servant, never a thread out of place, but ancient.

More than Human: Serge finds that he has a talent Of being able to make people feel very self-conscious about themselves with offhand remarks, except when he, himself has not been able to control things. For example, he can make a person want to flee just by pointing out something about inappropriate dress, but not if he's just stained his own clothing.
Less than Human: Serge is old and can't move faster than a tortoise unless he thinks one of the master's pets is in trouble.

Connections:
Malinda, the recently delivered giant python living in the moat. 1
Calla, the pretty scullery maid that he fantasizes about. 1


Mike

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On 7/15/2003 at 2:12pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Okay...timing-wise for this, I'd like to see three more suggested minions today. Then I'll put everything in my blender and produce the demo.

And thanks again for all the suggestions. After tapping myself hard to write all the examples in the game text I'm fairly certain there wasn't a demo concept left in my brain.

Paul

p.s. Anyone know some nice reptile terminology that might make a good name for the Master?

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On 7/17/2003 at 7:32pm, Mike Holmes wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Hey, I already did one! Somebody else cough one up! :-)

Mike

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On 7/17/2003 at 7:53pm, Valamir wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

How about Lassiter Redicaius the Master's midget chemist who invents all of the biomorphing formula...all in the name of science...
:-)

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On 7/17/2003 at 8:31pm, Paul Czege wrote:
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How about Lassiter Redicaius the Master's midget chemist...

Awesome character name Ralph. How about a More than Human, Less than Human, and a couple of connections for him?

Paul

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On 7/17/2003 at 8:45pm, Valamir wrote:
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Lassiter Redicaius (whom the Master calls ridiculous) was my twisted perverted Dexter inspired character from our Origins play.

Lessee: Max Weariness and No Self Loathing for stats, he's driven like a slave but as yet felt no remorse for his actions. He still thinks he's a genius on the verge of major scientific discovery.

More than Human: He can craft chemical formulae that defy laws of nature and physics...except if he's actually helping someone.

Less than Human: His diminuative stature means he cannot actually use tools and implements...except those sized for children


Connections....hmmm...adapted to this setting, probably one of the Masters earlier failed experiments which Lassiter kept to study but since adopted as a pet.

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On 7/18/2003 at 6:42pm, Paul Czege wrote:
RE: incubating a GenCon demo

Hey,

So, Danielle and I put the concept through the blender last night:

The Master

Dr. Karl Oserlinde, 33, pale, and teutonic, with one bizarre and cataracted reptilian eye. Think linen trousers and white cotton shirts. He was raised from the age of 9 by Hindu snake charmers after his gambling-obsessed mother was thrown into debtor prison. He is operating Naja Spa, in an old Roman baths on an island in the Adriatic, catering to the ailments of wealthy Italians with his "curative" injections of snake venom and local roots. Rather than actually curing anything, the injections merely make the patients susceptible to his will, so he is initially able to suggest to them that they feel better, and ultimately able to bilk them of their wealth.

And that is what he Needs from the Townspeople, their wealth. Somehow, his mother has managed to exert an incredible influence over his life these past 24 years, entirely from behind bars, through correspondence. He gets minimally one letter from her per day. But that fact alone fails to suggest the scope her influence. She writes letters to dozens of people, most of whom she's ever met, a vast network of correspondents she cultivates in service to managing her son's life. She makes social arrangements for him, and breaks dealings she doesn't approve of. And he desperately Wants it to end. He Wants to get her out of prison, by paying off her debts, so he'll be free of her influence and can continue with his study of the medicinal properties of snake venoms and organs. And he's so very close to having enough gold squirrelled away that he can barely stand it. He is a Collector-Brain.

The minions

A discredited nurse, who makes the "curative" to his specifications and administers injections under his supervision.

The director of the spa, who handles all the business except the injections and the wealth-taking.

A snake handler, one of Oserlinde's failed experiments. He keeps the snakes fed, and extracts the venom. I'm thinking some scaly skin, and seriously undermined brain functioning from too many venom injections.

And the Master's biographer.

The crisis

For some reason, venom production by the snakes has all but stalled. The game begins with the Master ordering one of the minion's to burn the ferry. "No one leaves the island." He's too close to having the money he needs.

Connections (so far)

A rich young syphilitic rakehell
A little crippled girl
A rich old widow
The ferry boatman

So...discussion...how about some More/Less than Humans for the minions?

Paul

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