From my own experience, I can tell you that departing gracefully is often a more powerful tool of rebuke than making a scene. Faced with a similar situation, I thanked the assembled group for their time and company, expressed regret that our play-styles proved incompatible, and left with a smile on my face. After all, sometimes things just don't work out for the best.

My decency shamed the others in the group into the realization that their gamemaster and his wife were bullies. A month or so later, I heard from a friend that they had staged a coup, ejected the gamemaster and his wife, and wanted to get back in touch with me. I contacted them, which lead to a brief but otherwise enjoyable association before I moved on for good.

Michael originally posted to Help me keep Brian from doing something regrettable. I have to say, it was a very appropriate post although the thread is now no longer active.

I think a lot of good stories like this exist out there. I also think we need to publicize them and discuss them, as they serve for models for people who are struggling with the common conundrum of friends/role-players and disagreements.

Best,
Ron

I think a lot of this kind of trouble comes from people in a group having different things they like, and trying to make all the play be exactly that way, because doing it other ways isn't fun. Sometimes it's more of a control/power trip thing, since the GM (historically) has had a certain concentration of social power in the gaming group. But you can have similar scuffles for "who is going to be the leader" between players.

I think the trick is doing the kinds of things Michael did. Bring it up and talk about it, or simply agree to disagree and move on. It's hard to do that sometimes, because people's feelings get hurt. The trick for me is to try and remember that we're all just trying to have fun, and my fun may be tedious to other people. And I try to help them see the same thing about their fun.

It usually works, but not always. I find, sometimes, that it's harder to do with a group of people you know well and are friends outside the game group. They sometimes feel hurt that 'their buddy' is disagreeing with them, or taking a different side, or whatever.

I don't think there's an easy way around it. Setting out boundaries and talking about play styles during the 'pre-game roundtable' period of the game can help. Many gamers don't understand the need, though. "Let's just play!" Grrr.

As another example, I once clashed badly with a new player who had just joined a long-running campaign in which I was participating, and chose to depart rather than make waves. After all, I had played in the campaign for five years and I thought the group might benefit from the new blood.

Within a session's time (we played monthly), my former fellows asked me to return to the game but left the task of ousting the new player to me. I was very diplomatic, explained to him that it was a simple case of incompatible personalities, and apologized. He accepted my apology, thanked me for my consideration, and moved on.

I still see him periodically around town, and even played a boardgame with him a while back. Social dynamics are always a difficult variable to predict, but I have found that tact and courtesy usually do the trick. No solution is perfect but, to me at least, belligerent confrontation is a last resort.

I don't think I've ever seen this happen. In fact, almost every "split" I've been witness too involved nastiness and hard feelings. And, mind you, these were all adults.

At what point do you mke the decision to bow out? How long do you hang on, trying to negotiate a place where eveyone has fun? A week? A month? A year?

And when you make your exit, or eject a player, how many of you, besides RaconteurX, found courtesy to work out? (Is this post another thread?)

I will say that I once participated in a series of Diplomacy by email games. The first game was quite fun and I entertained myself immensely with a lot odd email and "press" (Diplomacy term for propaganda). I found out subsequent games that this wasn't really what most Diplomacy players did in games. I found out that by and large Diplomacy games fell along very rigid lines: if X and Y, then you must do Z, and if not, no one speaks to you, having been written off as a loon not worth the time of day.

I played for the unpredictable "characters" of the game and the interactions between every one. The other players were looking for a, heck would we call this a Gamist experience? I told the person who judged the games that I didn't think Diplomacy was offering what I was looking for and passed on further invites.

The thing is that those games were not our only means of social fun. We (for the most part) still talk to each other when we can (we are geographically dispersed). We also gamed together in the RPG sense for many many years before.

So here's my next question: do things get nasty when the game IS the social venue?

Hello,

James, you asked,

do things get nasty when the game IS the social venue?

Ron: I have rarely, if ever, seen a role-playing situation in which the "we play together" box holds the "we get along" box, which yielded satisfaction.

JamesDJIII wrote: Do things get nasty when the game IS the social venue?

Ron Edwards wrote: Michael apparently wields considerable skill at making a game-oriented interaction into a real-social interaction, which is something worth striving for, in my view.