Topic: Races and "races" in literature and RPGs
Started by: Dotan Dimet
Started on: 11/25/2003
Board: RPG Theory
On 11/25/2003 at 5:49pm, Dotan Dimet wrote:
Races and "races" in literature and RPGs
Re: the RPG-Orc thing, the weirdest case of symbolic stand-ins IMO was in the Underground RPG, where psychotic superpowered discharged vets (the PCs of the futuristic setting) play a literary role that is analogous to that of black males in late 80s - early 90s Los Angeles.
But then, Underground is wholly about "issues", and its mix of Rap culture and retro-future gives you some odd juxtpositions.
On 11/25/2003 at 11:39pm, Ron Edwards wrote:
RE: Races and "races" in literature and RPGs
Hi there,
Over in [Arrowflight] Pixies, poisons, and duty, as a side point, I said this:
Without putting too fine a point on it, "orcs" in the setting are clearly symbolic stand-ins for black people in terms of 1950s American literature, just as they are in so many other fantasy games. They are the ex-slave race, brawny and raw, full of potential and ready to join up in the over-culture, but faced with extreme prejudice and certain individual limitations. Please note I'm talking about a literary role/identity, not a real one. Those "limitations" are a source of tricky, high-tension conflict in the stories I'm talking about and they feature heavily in games like Arrowflight and Earthdawn.
Dotan Dimet responded with the above point, which after a little squinting I decided to ask to split off into a thread over here in RPG Theory. I figure it's a more general topic than my thread in Actual Play can handle.
Best,
Ron
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On 11/28/2003 at 5:17pm, James Holloway wrote:
RE: Races and "races" in literature and RPGs
Dotan Dimet wrote: Re: the RPG-Orc thing, the weirdest case of symbolic stand-ins IMO was in the Underground RPG, where psychotic superpowered discharged vets (the PCs of the futuristic setting) play a literary role that is analogous to that of black males in late 80s - early 90s Los Angeles.
But then, Underground is wholly about "issues", and its mix of Rap culture and retro-future gives you some odd juxtpositions.
I wouldn't necessarily have said that the racial equation in Underground is that specific -- many of the characters in the books, for example, are Latinos, and have identities relating to Latino youth culture. I think the vets are a stand-in for "the disposessed" in general, rather than specifically African-Americans. Certainly they're meant to be "minorities."