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Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Alan on March 15, 2004, 04:22:19 AM
Ah, a new strip, a new life!  A new homage?  The mushroom man looks like he stepped right out of the sample adventure in Donjon.

Let me be the first to speculate on the sexual symbolism: couple makes love in cave, fungus creature is born from the floor beneath them after they leave.  What does he want?  Where's he going?  What exactly does he, with his cylindrical body and handsom cap, symbolize?

Hm.


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on March 15, 2004, 06:27:32 AM
Hello Alan,

You might be interested to know that one of my instructions to the artist was to avoid having our mushroom fellow be absolutely totally a walking penis. I think Ed did an admirable job in this department.

I mean, there's a certain visual association, undeniably, but how far you wanna take that is up to you. We're talking underground comics, after all.

Personally, I think the li'l fellow is cute. I really like his "I exist!" panel.

Best,
Ron


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: ejh on March 15, 2004, 08:29:24 AM
Keeping Mushroom Guy from looking like a walking penis was indeed the toughest thing about his character design.  I thought I'd succeeded, but like the saying goes, you can't fight Freud. :)


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Lxndr on March 15, 2004, 08:33:28 AM
I guess I'm not that much of a pervert.  I didn't even make the mushroom/penis connection until I saw Ron's comment (even Alan's little "cylindrical body and handsome cap" comment didn't get my neurons firing that way).  So, Ed, good job!  It's not very phallic!


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on March 15, 2004, 09:06:07 AM
Yeah, to me, he seems to be wearing a swashbuckly hat, which is just right for him.

Best,
Ron


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: jburneko on March 23, 2004, 06:18:11 PM
How did I know this was going to be Retta story?  The minute I saw mushroom man, I KNEW it was a Retta story.  Anyway, I'm not the biggest Retta fan but...

Damn, does the girl ever get a break!?

Jesse


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Valamir on March 23, 2004, 07:11:26 PM
You know Jesse.  You and I agree on a lot.  But I gotta say, I enjoy Rhetta as a character 100 times more than Tha...delving into dark mysteries of witchcraft trips all of zero of my triggers.  Athletic Red Sonja asskicker with horns on the other hand...yeah...I can dig it.

And Ed...every strip the characters look a bit different.  I love your take on Rhetta.


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on March 23, 2004, 08:04:28 PM
No "H"! No "H"!! R-E-T-T-A.

Anyway, I'm kind of hoping that this might be the "Retta story that Jesse likes." We'll see. It's a turning point in plot terms.

Jesse, that's a good point about Retta getting a break. One of the things about Trollbabe stories for me is about choices, especially those made by women. Have you ever noticed that people (not just women) spend a lot of time agonizing over choices that they might have to make, or could make if they decide they ought to, but spend no time at all making real choices. Wham. Choice made.

Oh, maybe they'll spend ages afterward justifying or revising the "story" of the choice. But making it? Wham.

Retta and Tha both do this. Whether it comes to men, or to violence, or whatever - they realize afterward, hey, I made a choice. What does that say about who I am? And it's disturbing to both of them that they can't really answer that question.

I like these characters a lot. Retta is a butt-kicker and a free spirit, but like most of the free-spirit women I've know, she doesn't know when she's happy and when she's not. And Tha is a deep, scary brooder - and like the women I've known who really are this way, and not posers at all, she fixates on goals without reflecting on them.

Any other thoughts?

Best,
Ron


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Valamir on March 23, 2004, 08:55:53 PM
If I keep misspelling her name will she come over to my house and punish me for being a bad boy?


What?


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: ejh on March 24, 2004, 07:47:01 AM
Thanks, guys!  I've had a lot of fun drawing Retta.


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Paul Czege on March 24, 2004, 04:58:14 PM
Hey Ed,

I'm quite liking the evolved "hard outline" art style you're using here. It has a pronounced "stained glass" aesthetic that really clicks for me, and that I didn't get from The Birthroot Bargain. So I have to ask, is stained glass an artistic destination you're consciously pushing toward, or am I projecting?

Paul


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: ejh on March 24, 2004, 05:22:03 PM
Paul,

The hard outline thing is definitely a conscious choice, though I wasn't particularly thinking of stained glass.

To be honest, I've been working very hard on style and technique for this comic.  I hope it doesn't produce too much inconsistency over the course of the story, though I fear it might.  The fact is that this comic is the only major artwork I've done in the last year or two, and I'm doing it in a medium (Corel Painter) which I'm learning as I go along.  So it's a constant battle to figure out the most effective way to accomplish things.  I'm learning a lot, and it's getting smoother and faster as I go, but it's not as neat and polished as I'd like.   I'm glad people are looking past some of the roughness of the linework and so on and enjoying the characters and action.


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on March 29, 2004, 08:38:43 PM
Hi there,

Wow, that's two Frazetta homage panels, one in Colin's story, and one in this week's strip.

"Retta broods heroically over scattered bodies of foes."

I like it, Ed!

And for archival purposes, the mushroom guy isn't inspired by Donjon, but rather by the mushroom beings in the 4th module of the old D&D "Slave Lords" tourney series. And perhaps a fair dose of Vaughn Bode, infused into my mental landscape at an early age.

Best,
Ron


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Valamir on March 29, 2004, 08:44:23 PM
Is there supposed to be text in any of these strips.

So far there have been no words at all...yet this is the second time you've apparently quoted from them.

Is that you paraphrasing the panel, or should I be seeing words?


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on March 29, 2004, 08:48:30 PM
I'm paraphrasing the panels' content in verbal terms. Someone else might come up with completely different phrases, by their interpretation.

To be absolutely clear: none of the panels of the current story have yet contained any dialogue, and only the first strip included captions.

Best,
Ron


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: ejh on March 29, 2004, 09:01:01 PM
No dialogue, except for "Clang AIEEE!" so far.

Don't worry, when the time comes to speak, those who can speak will speak. :)


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Valamir on March 30, 2004, 04:24:23 AM
Cool, I just started thinking that maybe the dialogue had been added to a seperate layer in the image that either didn't transfer or wasn't being read on my PC.  All good now.


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Alan on March 30, 2004, 08:20:33 AM
So did Retta make a "sudden ally" reroll?


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: ejh on March 30, 2004, 08:35:00 AM
You know Ron hates trying to read the stories as game sessions! :)


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ben Lehman on April 01, 2004, 12:27:10 AM
I'm just glad to see fungus people finally being as bad-ass as they deserve to be.

To answer the question:  No.  I have no idea why I'm obsessed with sentient mushrooms.

Pretty strip.

yrs--
--Ben


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Gordon C. Landis on April 12, 2004, 04:11:58 PM
Hey, is it just me, or are we overdue for a new strip?

Not that I'm, like, interested in the story here at all, or looking forward to more fungusman art, or hoping for a few terse-but-meaning-laden words to be added . . . no, I just thought there might have been something broken in the content-delivery mechanism, and so - thoughtful chap that I am - I figured pointing it out might be good.

In case you were wondering.

(and if you can't just see the tounge firmly in cheek here, I really need to work on my writting skills . . . )

Gordon


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: jrs on April 13, 2004, 05:52:09 AM
Umm, yeah, I'm actually thinking there hasn't been a new strip since the end of March.  Maybe, unbeknownst to the viewers, Trollbabe has taken a tax season hiatus.  

Upcoming strip:  Retta and Tha face multiple K-1 forms.  Aaaagggghhhh!!!!

Sorry.  I'll stop and go back to my corner now.

Julie


Title: [Trollbabe comics] Mystic Crystal Revelations
Post by: Ron Edwards on April 14, 2004, 12:15:26 PM
All fixed! It was a file communication thing. Many thanks to Clinton and to Ed.

Best,
Ron