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Started by xiombarg, May 10, 2004, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: DevAs a point of courtesy, I'd say that if you're LJ enabled, but "you wouldn't have picked up on this normally" (you haven't friended Jason Blair), you probably shouldn't pile onto the discussion there. I'm just sayin'.
Quote from: DevOuch. Really, really disheartening.I'm concerned with "how we look", because (a) that's not objectively wrong, it's just fact based on what people say, so we can't argue it away. and (b) it impacts the effectiveness of projects known to be Forge-influenced. And we can actually create social rules to approach those problems.As for longer-term folks: from whence does your negativity come? What do we do?
Quote from: clehrichBut it is something we all need to work on: we must be relentlessly self-critical, and we must be really scrupulous about welcoming people without simply giving a huge list of threads to read (unless they ask for that specifically, of course).
Quote from: clehrich2. GNS(snip) GNS/Big Model terminology (snip) But some of those terms are so useful it's hard to know how to avoid them. Somebody suggested a Wiki based on the forthcoming glossary, (snip).
Quote from: clehrich3. JargonOne very common complaint seems to be that Forge writers use a lot of jargon that is incomprehensible. When called upon to explain, we refer to previous posts rather than explaining anew. This makes the site extremely newbie-unfriendly.I think there is truth to this. I am not convinced that all of the terminology that gets coined here is really that useful; there is some degree to which jargon breeds jargon, and there is a satisfaction in being one of the in-crowd who "get" the jargon.
Quote from: ValamirAs for the strong encouragement to read past discussions. Of course that's an expectation. A lot of people have spent alot of time and effort discussing alot of issues with a degree of intent and intellectual integrity that, while not unique, is certainly difficult to find on the internet at large. To start a new conversation on that same topic without haveing read those old threads defeats the very purpose of the Forge as a repository of collective knowledge.
QuoteTo get hyperbolic, contrast "hey, that's cool; here's what's been talked about before on this topic, you might want to check it out" with "you must read thread X, Y, and Z before anyone here will listen to your paltry latecomer thoughts which probably have already been said, you schmuck." As a reader, I'm much more amenable to the former than the latter, which spurs a "Hey, man, don't deprotagonize me" response.
Quote from: ValamirQuoteTo get hyperbolic, contrast "hey, that's cool; here's what's been talked about before on this topic, you might want to check it out" with "you must read thread X, Y, and Z before anyone here will listen to your paltry latecomer thoughts which probably have already been said, you schmuck." As a reader, I'm much more amenable to the former than the latter, which spurs a "Hey, man, don't deprotagonize me" response. I'll agree with you the moment you can point me to any thread which ever said the latter.Obviously you can't which is why you called it getting hyperbolic.
Quote from: Mike HolmesF. Like I've said, this has all been worked out before. Not using the search engine to discover the previous information, and then posting to a thread like this when you've been told that it exists only makes you look assinine. To whit, here are some typical examples for those who claim that they don't have the mental facilities or time to learn how to use the search engine:
Quote from: ValamirSo what then? What are we to do, when we refer new comers to other threads entirely in the spirit of the former, and yet through the limitations of the electronic medium, a defensive nature, or just plum thin skinnedness they take it as the latter?
Quote from: ValamirIs the source of your disatisfaction that we don't molly coddle enough?
Quote from: ValamirAre we really talking about people's feelings being hurt because we don't gush and rave over a post that they had thought was more inciteful than it really was?
Quote from: ValamirBeyond that, exactly what specific solutions do you have in mind, and exactly what specific responsibilities are you prepared to concede new posters have be willing to shoulder?
Quote from: chaduAll posters should be polite.