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Started by Adam Dray, May 11, 2004, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: Mike HolmesBut I'm serious about the classroom thing. I think this stuff should be in textbooks and taught to people. I think those textbooks should be as easy to understand as possible.
QuoteTo make an analogy, would you expect doctors to create a "Medical Jargon to English" translation? To what end? They already are smart enough to do such translation when they think it's neccessary. And, really, what does it matter to the patient what the jargon means? As long as they understand in the end what they need to know?
QuoteI'm not saying we shouldn't do any of that. I'm saying it's already being done.
Quote from: AnyaTheBlue"I understood this stuff by jumping in, and if it's good enough for me, it's good enough for anybody else who wants to jump in." Maybe that's not your point, but it still seems like one you are making, even in the post I'm responding to.
QuoteI agree with Emily -- I think there is an unnecessarily steep learning curve here at the Forge. I think you are saying that while it might be steep, it's climbable, and therefore not worthy of, say, a bike-path or a set of steps.
QuoteI don't see how that's good or useful to the long-term goals and health of the site.
QuoteAs for a classroom -- I certainly think it belongs in a classroom about game theory and design. As you say, we have a lack. So why don't we do something else to help teach in lieu of these sadly scarce classrooms?
QuoteI think the Forge community could be doing a better job of it, and it would benefit everybody.
Quote from: Emily CareQuote from: Mike HolmesBut I'm serious about the classroom thing. I think this stuff should be in textbooks and taught to people. I think those textbooks should be as easy to understand as possible.Great idea. A Forge online tutorial would be the swank.
QuoteIt's more like we're talking to other doctors here. But think of translating for players in general as medical advocacy. The more easily accessible the info is, the less time doctors have to spend explaining things and can spend more time playing golf.
QuoteCheck. My take is that it's all timely, and needed. And may it continue.
Quote from: Mike HolmesNo apollogies, I've been offending people left and right lately. Guess I'll have to start thinking about retirement or something to somewhere where crochety is more accepted.
Quote from: Mike HolmesRealize that, since the theory is never going to be "finished" that the process of making it more accessible is never going to end. Never.
Quote from: Mike HolmesI see the learning curve as a side effect of the quality of discourse, and something that's impossible to eliminate. Try as we might.
Quote from: Mike HolmesHere we go again. The goals are to support publication of good Indie Games. What part of that is being harmed by the learning curve?
Quote from: Mike HolmesQuote from: MeI think the Forge community could be doing a better job of it, and it would benefit everybody....Not to be offensive about it, but with any community, if you want something done, you have to do it yourself. Calling for others to do stuff and then waiting for it to happen doesn't get it done. At the very least, throw out an idea for what can be done that somebody else might pick up and run with.
Quote from: MeI think the Forge community could be doing a better job of it, and it would benefit everybody.
Quote from: AnyaTheBlueIf this is the primary, sole, or overarching goal of The Forge, then I'm probably completely off base. But the Forge should realize that many designers and players of potentially excellent Indie Games are finding it hard, impossible, or not worth their time and effort to get up the learning curve.
QuoteThis site is dedicated to the promotion, creation, and review of independent role-playing games.
Quote from: Mike Holmes* Start a "forge newbie"/"introductory" forum
Quote* Somebody other than Ron should summarize and/or paraphrase and/or restate his GNS essays.
Quote* Start a Glossary Wiki or FAQ-O-Matic, so that terms and definitions can be defined, refined, edited, and have useful and important annotations provided by a wide group of people -- many hands make light work.
QuoteI'm unfortunately in the middle of the aforementioned Big Life Change and not really available to do any heavy lifting
Quote from: Mike HolmesQuote from: AnyaTheBlue* Somebody other than Ron should summarize and/or paraphrase and/or restate his GNS essays. Already done. See MJ's article Applied Theory in the articles link above.
Quote from: AnyaTheBlue* Somebody other than Ron should summarize and/or paraphrase and/or restate his GNS essays.
QuoteSo I'd bet we're having more impact than we think.