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Started by Adam Dray, May 12, 2004, 06:05:12 PM
QuoteIronically, I didn't have to learn most of this by "jumping in," I've been working on this suff since before there was a Forge. So, apparently my position must be that I've put in many, many years, and so too must others before they are worthy. Which would be true if it weren't for the fact that I work constantly to try to help poeple get up to speed and accept them after, oh, about a day of work. But, then, we all have blind spots - maybe I'm missing something.
Quote from: AdamDrayIf learning the body of knowledge keeps people from joining the community, then that body of knowledge has become self-limiting. One way to break through that plateau and avoid stagnation is to knock down barriers to entry. Making it easier to learn the body of knowledge is an obvious way to knock down those barriers.
Quote from: Mike HolmesI mean, what you're suggesting is that going to cons for seminars, or reading whole books on the subjects here would be easier than trying to read the threads and get people here to help explain the material to you.
QuoteYes, I understand that the tutorial articles represent a snapshot in time of Forge theory. These tutorials must be living documents. We don't need to update them every day, but we should update them periodically -- every couple months, probably.
QuoteI guess the questions I beg are: Exactly how difficult do you want this stuff to be for a new member? If you could make it easier to learn, would you? If a nontrivial percentage of new members are intimidated by the body of knowledge (never mind their treatment in the forums), does that bother us?
Quote from: Mike HolmesI'm so glad you think so. And thanks for volunteering.
Quote from: AdamDraySee, I'd be glad to write these tutorials if I understood the material. But I don't, so I can't. And thanks for nothing.
Quoteyou're saying that Forge knowledge is passed from master to apprentice
QuoteThis is the attitude that has kept me and others from engaging the Forge more than we have. This is why the Forge seems elitist.
Quote from: ValamirFurther I absolutely resent the implication that someone should be able to, in five minutes of casual reading, know everything that we've spent years hammering out and thrashing through.
QuoteAnd here we find the crux of it. It was hard to write so it should be hard to read. I call bullshit on this,
QuoteNo one has really addressed the points I made there: 1. Not everyone learns the same way.
Quote2. The "ask questions" method of learning is sometimes discouraged by the behavior of some very active "teachers."
Quote3. As the Forge body of knowledge grows, it becomes more difficult for outsiders to learn it.
QuoteI suggested some projects that would help.
Quote from: ValamirNot only do I not think the Cliff's Notes version of the theory is doable, I think its completely counter productive. What does it gain to give a large volume of people a superficial understanding of the theory? This seems to me to be a recipie for disastor.