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Started by Jonathan Walton, February 03, 2005, 08:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ron EdwardsOr if you want to look at it this way, "Lenin really dissolves the dictatorship this time. Stalin never shows up."
Quote from: Ron EdwardsGo away (said nicely).
Quote from: BankueiGareth is quite right that any organization constructed with a -purpose- is a form of social engineering- but the purpose of the Forge has always been discussion and sharing of information- not producing dogma or winning converts. Though some folks might believe otherwise, this decision to exit gracefully is proof of that.
QuoteProducing dogma and winning converts are both techniques that organisations adopt so that they can then pursue their objectives; they are never ends in themselves, but means. I was under the impression that the puopose of the forge was to open up design based on a certain set of views, or indeed dogmas if you prefer.
Quote from: BankueiPopularity, support in numbers, resources, or material gain are all feasible goals using dogma and converts. The simple act of sharing information and providing a venue for discussion requires neither of those means.
QuoteAnd while the Forge does limit its focus to independently owned games(according to a particular definition of what those are), this is no different than how a book on recipes has a focus, according to its definitions of "Indian" or "Thai". This doesn't preclude other recipe books, or books from having useful information or being worthwhile to checking out. Complaining that a recipe book is "dogmatic" because it doesn't contain information on Newtonian physics is a problem for the reader, not the book.
Quote from: Ron EdwardsThe "industry" can have its quotes taken off, because our games and publishing efforts are an industry now - only peripherally and non-dependently related to the rather sad, vague, and humpbacked pseudo-industry.
Quote from: NathanRon and Clinton have done some awesome things with the Forge. It's a great resource, and this is probably a wise move in the scheme of things. Seriously -- why not go out "on top", in a sense? Rather than drag along until no one posts at all... or try to figure out how to stay fresh... why not just let it die and be thankful for the immense discussion, insight, and fun while it lasted?
Quote from: clehrichQuote from: NathanRon and Clinton have done some awesome things with the Forge. It's a great resource, and this is probably a wise move in the scheme of things. Seriously -- why not go out "on top", in a sense? Rather than drag along until no one posts at all... or try to figure out how to stay fresh... why not just let it die and be thankful for the immense discussion, insight, and fun while it lasted?For me, while I entirely agree with the initial remarks, my feeling is that I don't see a particular decline in posting or in their depth and value. If it's really declining, that's one thing, but from where I sit, there is nothing to indicate that we especially need to "move on." The only factor there, so far as I can see, is if Ron and Clinton do not want to continue doing what they've been doing. That eliminates the venue. But the Forge itself, currently, seems to me healthy and robust.