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Started by Ron Edwards, February 25, 2002, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: ClayIn summary, just because relationship maps are great tools, don't automatically assume that they're the only tool we should use. My circular saw is a great tool, but I don't use it when I'm re-wiring the basement. Likewise, when I'm telling a story where the important conflict is internal, I probably don't need a tool designed for supporting external conflicts.
Quote from: Paul CzegeIs there a place in the model, and in the Bridge Over the River Kwai scenario, for the notion that men pursue fame, and power because these things increase their desirability as a mate, their ability to mate more often, and to choose from a wider selection of more attractive partners? Is this notion a linkage from category 2 into category 1, or a non-factor?
Quote from: Mike Holmes[Ah, but Clay, that is the point of this entire thread. Ron's claim is that his version of the Relationship Map is superior to others in all circumstances.
Quote from: Mike HolmesPerhaps it was from Raven that I got the idea that it was based on Freudianism.
Quote from: Mike Holmesabsolute pre-eminence has similarities to Freud's basic ideas that all motivations come back to these three
QuoteNow, going into the game with that idea, to take Ralph's idea I suppose that the game would be better if I somehow managed to bring the Camp Commandant's wife into the game or one of his offspring. Or his mistress. Or somehow to have the Brittish POWs have their loved ones involved.
QuoteThis is going to be of more importance than the ideological relationships between the characters?
Quote from: Ron EdwardsOr, to put it another way, a relationship-map story is very effective even if it's kinda stupid, but a non-relationship-map story is only effective when it's very, very good.
QuoteEvery human individual has at their motivating root their social relationships, the strongest of which are sex/blood/death or love/power/fear if you prefer
QuoteTo falsify my claim, one would have to find an example of a compelling story in which the non-relationship-map concerns were prevalent over relationship-map concerns, when the latter are present and available.