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Started by Federico Figueredo, May 24, 2007, 02:25:33 PM

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Federico Figueredo

Good day to you all. I'm a complete newcomer to the forums and since this *is* my first post I thought some greetings wouldn't be that bad. But to stay within my topic, I was wondering about a little problem I have with the forums. The thing is, 90% of the text is italized. This, which I consider is great for text, is actually hampering my reading a bit (I don't know why, but it does -weird-) and I was wondering if you were using it on purpose (like on a forum theme -haven't used this kind of forums myself, so I'm just fishing here-) and if so if there was some way to disable it on my PC.

Now, I have tried setting personal preferences in my browser, but believe it or not I can't get the bloody thing to work. I know it shouldn't be such a big deal, but if someone has an idea I would be more than happy to go with it.

Last but not least, I hope I posted in the right place, it did seem like the most apropiate forum and after a simple search I couldn't find any other message with the same problem.

So thanks in advance, and see you around.

Federico Figueredo from Argentina
Federico Figueredo


Hi Frederico, welcome. I'm Vincent, I'm an administrator here.

Well, in your post here most of it's italicized because you didn't close your <em> tag.

Could you point me to a post that's showing up mostly italicized to you out in the forums at large? I glanced over them and everything looks fine on my computer, but I might have missed something.



Federico Figueredo

First of all, hi Vicent, pleased to meet you. Second, sorry about the *em* tag, I didn't think HTML would work on the post. Third, actually I see everythihng inside a post as being italized on all posts. For example, the post name might be in normal text, as the forum names, but any further description plus the content of the posts themselves is italized.

So it is quite of a bothersome thingie for me. Any ideas? (I checked with two browsers and I'm getting the same rendering of the website so ...)

Thanks again.

Federico Figueredo.
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Hey, anybody who reads this, could I get a good handful of you to tell me whether you see what Federico sees? Has this been going on for a while and he's the first to mention it?

(Sorry about misspelling your name the first time.)


Moreno R.

I see everything fine (I am using IE 6.0).

(Excuse my errors, English is not my native language. I'm Italian.)

Federico Figueredo

Thanks again for your swift replies in this matter. Tell you what, I need to leave now to go to the doctor, and I'll be back later today. I'll leave you screenshots of the situation in different browsers and try the ones you're telling me.

Have a nice day. By the way, I'm at GMT -3 how about you all?

Federico Figueredo.
Federico Figueredo

Christoph Boeckle

Everything here is fine in Mozilla Firefox, running on Ubuntu 7.04.

Federico Figueredo

Hey guys, I collected for you all a set of screenies in 4 different browsers showing my particula predicament. The testers are Opera (latest version), Internet Explorer 7, Seamonkey and dear old Firefox. The results are below, in small captions (hopefully) to help load times. As you'll see the text has been italized (thank god it's not oblique, they I would surely die trying to read it). The only one that comes out on top of the pack is IE7 ... and it does because it just renders the text in that funky all way that IE usually does.

  • Opera

  • Internet Explorer 7

  • Seamonkey

  • Firefox


Any ideas?
Federico Figueredo

Paul Czege

Across multiple browsers? My guess would be a font substitution problem. The Forge CSS specifies a list of fonts for the browser to attempt, and your system lacks anything close, and so it complies as best it can with an italic font. I'm no CSS expert by any stretch of the imagination, but a quick look suggests that you might try installing Tahoma.

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Federico Figueredo

That is what I thought about in the first place as well, however when the font-family property is set on CSS usually the statement is a list of possible fonts (from the most preffered, going down to second and third choices) ended with a "serif" or "sans-serif" (I aplogise if I'm forgetting the spelling, it's 5am in the morning and quite frankly my mental engine is running on fumes) to avoid that kind of problem (i.e. the viewer not having the font and messy things happening).

Of course, I have no idea of what your CSS looks like, so really I'm just guessing. I will install Tahoma though, it's odd but I thought I had it in the system. Now that I'm looking at it, it's rather odd but I don't think that is the problem.

Which leads me to ...


I've noticed that although in other pages the text doesn't render in italics, the imput fields (mostly text such as this one) are being italized, something that (if I recall correctly doesn't usually happen). It's an oddity alright, but I'm stuck with the problem. Any insights?

Thanks again for your time and help.
Federico Figueredo

Eero Tuovinen

What a weird problem. Common sense would suggest that it's a problem with the individual computer set-up, though, as others are not suffering from it.

You have probably tried surfing around, and other sites are not suffering from this, right? How about, have you checked any cache sites for mirrored Forge pages? Might provide something useful to check if a Google cache or similar has the same problem, especially if you compared pages from before and after the latest upgrades here.

Vincent: is there any fancy content-negotiation going on in the headers of the site? Federico's browser might be sending some strange preferences, which are then used to send something strange back. Although as far as I know the only way to get that kind of clean cursive all over the place would be to set it as a CSS property for the paragraph style.
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Federico Figueredo

Ok, I was going to address a couple things directly (like the suggestion of getting the Tahoma font, which I actually have), but I think I'll cut straight to the proverbial chase.

I think I found the problem here.

I took a glimpse of your CSS and did some replacing of my own (pretty much, used my own style sheet on your site using the User mode in the browser), and found out two things. First of all (and this might be due to the nature of PHP, I have no idea of how it works yet), you must be using more than one CSS sheet or you must be working some other kind of funky magic, simply because replacing your style sheet for an identical one in my computer, gets rid of all the borders and the logo and stuff like that. Again, that is just probably PHP.

But the second one is where I think the answer is. Your fonts are defined in both the body element, and the tabular data element (body and td), and plus some other places (I had to do some replacing and I found font settings in about 4 or 5 different places) as:

font-family: serif, sans-serif

This is what I think is causing the problem. Simply replacing said code with:

font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif, serif;

did the trick for me. I could see everything non italized. Most likely due to the fonts in my PC the browsers are picking (god knows why) some set of sans-serif that *looks* italized in your default small font size. From the look of the style sheet I also see that most likely someone made the style for you or this is a standard style made available for downloads (just guessing from the comments). While it is odd that no one has had the same problem, you can bet that a lot of people will have different renderings. And this is not bad per se (I mean, sure enough, everyone will get a sans-serif font and if they don't have any ... which won't really happen ... they'll get a serif font), but it would be nice if you could set it up to something before (obviously I'd love that since it would solve my problem, but hey, the site *would* be more consistently rendered so ...).

Just in case, I will look into user overriding methods so ... why don't you tell me what do you think. If someone thinks it's something else please do tell, I'm all ears.
Federico Figueredo