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Started by John Wick, July 10, 2001, 01:41:00 PM
QuoteEvil is kick you when no one's looking and you're already down. Not walk into Central Park and draw your guns. I'm not cavalier, and my courage for violent situations is intrinsically linked to how confident I am that I can win. If that isn't evil tell me what it is, because that's where I stand in life.
QuoteI think that you will *need* to have protaganists to make the evil elf characters matter.
QuoteLife and living is all about conflict, and the Strong eating the Weak.Every animal feeds on another animal to live.If you can show me "cooperation" between dolphins and the meat they eat, I'll buy your argument.
QuoteI don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.
QuoteAppeals to authority are the #3 most used non-valid argument technique, and they don't save you from being wrong. :wink:
QuoteI'll agree with your definition of "empathy." (It's a good one, too.)Hm... maybe I don't agree with your definition of empathy. I prefer to use the Socratic definition of: ability to sympathize with others. Hannibal Lector can think like other people, but it's because he can't feel what they feel that makes him a sociopath. Just because the wolf can think like the deer doesn't mean it sympathizes with it when it rips its throat out.
QuoteFrom my own observations, I tend to agree. I don't think animals have the capability to "Empathize." When an ape child dies, the mother carries it around for days, completely unable to recognize the child is dead. Eventually, it leaves the child behind. The ape mother shows no signs of mourning or grief. That's because apes don't know or understand death. They understand danger, but the concept of "He was here, and now he's not here anymore" just escapes them.
QuoteI think that's a very limited definition of intelligence. Because I don't agree with the definition, I won't make any arguments in that direction.
QuoteI completely disagree with your premise. There are thousands of species on this planet that don't have any kind of "social structure."
QuoteHundreds of thousands of crimes are committed every day? Why? Because people believe they can get away with it.
QuoteHow about 0%?
QuoteGive people the opportunity to do evil, and they will. Give people the opportunity to do good... and they generally won't.
QuoteAnd we'd probably walk into a bank and steal a million dollars. Why not? Who's gonna miss it? The bank? And I did stop that rapist, and help the police with that serial killer... I deserve a little payback, don't you think?
QuoteIn short, what would you do with it? And be honest.
QuoteIf you give someone the power of a god... they'll probably act like your average god. Like Yawah for instance.
QuoteYou give people enough power, they hang themselves with it.
QuoteAll right, I've babbled enough on this one. If you want to read more, go check out the Elfworld page. The chapter on Orkworld Elves is there, with more details on why they're so BAD.
QuoteAnd thanks for the discussion. It's nice to see respectful disagreement on the web. It's refreshing.
QuoteProgress for the sake of progress is not idiotic. You see, there is this idea... widespread really... Hell, I don't know many people that haven't delved into it...Progress is, to me, the core trait that keeps me going. I love progress. I love clering away the old and ushering in the new.
Quote"Good" beings are discriminatory against "evil" beings. That puts them in the same boat as racists.
QuoteChild abusers, people who go "columbine", and the like are not evil. They are fucked-up. Evil would be trying to get away with it in a rational sense, and having a personal gain/fulfillment principle.
QuoteThat they choose suicidal means to fight their little wars is not evil,
QuoteEvil is a commitment to personal satisfaction and advancement at the expense of anything that gets in the way. Evil is do what you have to and fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Quote"what is in it for me", and "what is the down side"? Feelings of others, statements of belief, anything else, is not a factor unless it will, in the future, impede that person from continuing to experience happiness.
QuoteI don't even know what the hell you mean by vampires and buzzwords. Vampires are people you only have to worry about half as often as most people.
QuoteI'm not a nice guy, I'm not sympathetic. I am completely unconcerned with the suffering of others. Yes, children are kidnapped, hurt, and other unfortunate things... They aren't my kids, and I don't know them.
QuoteEvil is kick you when no one's looking and you're already down.
QuoteI'm not cavalier, and my courage for violent situations is intrinsically linked to how confident I am that I can win.
QuoteGreat cliche: Good needs evil and vice versa. Without one, the other cannot exist.A cliche is an assumed truth. Everyone assumes its true without ever thinking about it.
QuoteI've lost track of what, exactly, this is telling us about Evil and Elfworld
Quoteinteresting thread, and I admire that everyone can discuss widely divergent viewpoints without blowing up.
QuoteOn 2001-07-13 20:16, Jared A. Sorensen wrote:Uh, navel-gazing and point-by-point replies aside, I'm not sure that Elfworld is going to explore the concept of "evil" so much as provide for a fun way to stab people in the back, sow the seeds of discord and in general NOT play the hero (or even a particularly nice person) for a change. Which is good. But from what I know of it, it's not going to be Orkworld 'cept from the Alvsees' point of view. I don't even think it takes place on Ghurtha (tho' if it does, this is the time for John to start bitch-slapping me). :smile:- J