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Started by patientfox, February 08, 2004, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: The TextI call upon the Authority of the Ancients! I make the Sign of the Tree! I command you By Name to depart! Raise 9! vs. I call upon the Authority of the Ancients! Raise 6! I make the Sign of the Tree! See 7! I command you By Name to depart! Raise 9! Either is, as I say, valid.
Quoteokay, I'm probably going way off the Mormon blueprint track here. Possession of believers by the Holy Spirit is the central theme of Pentecostalism and is a main feature of Charismatic Catholicism, and happens in Evangelical Christianity as well. Is there anything like that in the LDS?
Quotebut never anything that would be either true possession, or that wouldn't claim to be from "on high."
QuoteSo a more functional play model would not be "it turns out the possession is good," but rather "The possession, which we thought was of God, isn't, and we all got suckered in without using the God-given power of discernement." Wolf in sheep's clothing, as it were.
QuoteAh, you assume that possession impedes free will. Your statement also implies that you refuse to see possession as anything *except* demonic.
QuoteAnd why wouldn't true possession "be from 'on high'"? In religions where possession takes place (African Traditional religion, Afro-Caribbean religions, Korean Traditonal religion, etc.), possession is the only way for the spirits to let God's will be known because spirits don't have bodies, so they must use the bodies of the devout in order to voice God's will to the community.
QuoteOf course, it would be up to Vincent to decide what a more functional play model would be. I think the HS idea in a community where it was being viewed as demonic would be a reflection upon the community's state of grace - like Jeremiah in Egypt.
Quote"So a more functional play model would not be "it turns out the possession is good," but rather "The possession, which we thought was of God, isn't, and we all got suckered in without using the God-given power of discernement."
Quote"So a more functional play model based on Mormon doctrine would not be "it turns out the possession is good," but rather "The possession, which we thought was of God, isn't, and we all got suckered in without using the God-given power of discernement."
Quote from: Elsewhere and long ago, IThe Faith has a pretty much normal set of moral codes: don't do violence to one another, don't sleep around, don't lie, cheat, steal, break promises, conspire against one another, or profit from another's misfortune. It has the standard religious ones: worship the correct god in the correct way, don't turn to demons or false gods for favors. It also has a handful of "avoid the appearance of sin" and "separate people" ones: modesty rules, including who's allowed to be alone with whom, who's allowed to touch whom, what people are allowed to wear; consumption rules, dietary rules; and random conduct rules of the "no swearing" sort (although what's "swearing" and what isn't might still be working itself out, socially).The laws of the Territorial Authority (that is, the gubment) are based on the same core moral code: don't do violence to one another, don't sleep around, don't lie, cheat, steal, etc. The thing is, being made by the corrupt and decadent, the legal interpretation of the code differs from the Faithful interpretation in at least one key way. Maybe multiple marriage is allowed by the law but prohibited by the Faith. Maybe ritual tattooing is considered "violence" by the law but "correct worship" by the Faith.So but within that framework, you can totally muck around with the specifics. Does the Faith's understanding of "don't sleep around" permit or prohibit multiple marriage? Do its consumption rules permit or prohibit eating pork? What arrangements constitute "conspiring against one another" or "profiting from another's misfortune"? What makes "correct worship"? When are the holy days and what do you do on them? Come to think of it, is "the King of Life" God (if so, YHWH, Jehovah, or Allah?), or Jesus, or the head of a Pantheon, or the Earth, or what? Are "false gods" gods who don't exist, or real gods we oughta not be worshipping?
Quote from: lumpleyNo worries nor obligation! When I wrote that bit, I was still deciding whether to detail a particular Faith at all. I thought I might just dump the whole thing, via those guidelines, on the GMs and players.Making the Faith customizable has always been part of my plan.-Vincent
Quote from: lumpleyI haven't given much thought to minority-Faithful towns. What are the poor Dogs gonna do about them?
Quote from: bluegargantuaQuote from: lumpleyI haven't given much thought to minority-Faithful towns. What are the poor Dogs gonna do about them? Depends... ...on the one hand, they are Faithless non-believers so...BANG! ...on the other hand, the Faithful got kicked out of every non-Faithful town back East so how did this situation even come about? Maybe the Dogs order the Faithful to pack up and leave. And there's another great Dogs Campaign: There's a bunch of Faithful back east who are headed out to the Promised Land. They've never crossed the plains before, but how hard could it be? Besides, the Church sent out this pack of Dogs to help guide us back there and keep us all righteous and stuff....*shudder*Tom