The Iron Devils Quandary

[Paul Czege]

I think we need a Forge mock election. I vote for Lon as "Most Likely to be Pagan".

[hardcoremoose]

Heh.  I'd vote for him.

Yeah, Yggsdrasil runs through everything, and there's the dragon gnawing at the roots trying to get to the raven and all that, but how do I find it if I'm some cocksure Frisian looking to thwart the minions of Hel in Niflheim and to stop the giants from building the Ship of Nails?

Don't answer that.  It's actually the scenario I'm planning on writing for inclusion in the game.

- Moose

[ This Message was edited by: hardcoremoose on 2002-01-03 14:32 ]

[James V. West]

Well, Moose, great minds think alike.

Thanks for all the feedback and the crash-course in Geatology.

I hope to post some more concrete stuff about Iron Devils soon.

[greyorm]

Picture the nine worlds as five disks on a pole, with Hel at the base, Svartalfheim next up, then Midgard, then Lojsalfheim, then Asgard.  Midgard includes Earth, Niflheim, Mussplheim, Jotunheim, and Vanaheim.  The central pole is Yggdrasil.

Hrm, odd, we learned different layouts for the cosmology of the nine worlds...in some cases there are conflicting sources.  Frex, Hel and Niflheim are sometimes considered the same place, or that Hel exists somewhere within Niflheim (note that *I wouldn't necessarily agree with this placement...but then again, I haven't exactly sat on Hlidskjalf and looked out across the worlds (not that I remember, at any rate!)).

Also, the way to Hel was sometimes considered to lie through Jotunheim...meaning that Jotunheim and Niflheim were thus linked.
Thematically, that's particularly interesting, since it means the way to Hel is through giant territory...and Hel was reserved for cowards, evildoers and weaklings.  Giants can be best thought of as purely destructive, chaotic forces...so if you act like the giants, you're bound for Hel.

As well, the giants of Jotunheim were Jotun, not Thursir, important to note since the Jotun were wise, ancient beings, yet opposed to the Gods and hostile to them.  Mimir was a Jotun.  However, the dividing line between the two giant types is not very clear, and they may be the same.

Additionally, the way I was originally taught the layout of the Great Ash was with Muspelheim, Vanaheim and Lojsalfheim above Midgaard (Asgard above these), with Niflheim, Jotunheim and Svartalfheim below it (Hel below these).

Another interesting fact about Yggdrasil is that it was also called 'Odin's Steed.'

Anyways, more fodder for Wyrd, perhaps.

[Uncle Dark]

Raven and I may need to share a title...

Lon

[Jared A. Sorensen]

Gentlemen, let's see those goatees and pewter dragon claw pendants, if you please.

Just saw Snatch. Dang! It was cool.

[hardcoremoose]

Sheesh, maybe I should start another WYRD thread somewhere where everyone can post their useless knowledge about Scandinavian myth.  I'm learning a few things here.  :smile:  

And Jared, Snatch was pretty cool.  It was one of my favorite films of this past year...can't understand why it's ending up on people's "worst of" lists.  Sigh.

- Moose

[ This Message was edited by: hardcoremoose on 2002-01-03 23:44 ]

[James V. West]

I loved Snatch. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels was great too. Not sure which was better.

But *ahem*, back to the original topic...

Oh hell, I'll just start a new thread. :smile: