Trollbabe and Elfs publishing

[Ben Morgan]

Actually, it'd be nifty to have both of them together in one book, like a Puppetland/Powerkill kinda thing. I'd plunk down cash for it.

But this sorta thing has probably been suggested before.

[Ron Edwards]

Hi Ben,

I'm afraid that this will not happen.

Reason #1: they are way, way different games. About different things, different tones, entirely different player/character relationship, etc. Although there is a certain niftiness to buying a Snickers and a Reese's Pieces in one package, ultimately, it's losing me the target customers for each.

Reason #2: they are both PDF products. If someone wants to buy them both and thus create their own "two-pack," they can. (People seem to have a very hard time understanding that Trollbabe is to be a PDF game, just like Elfs.)

Best,
Ron

[xiombarg]

Reason #2: they are both PDF products. If someone wants to buy them both and thus create their own "two-pack," they can. (People seem to have a very hard time understanding that Trollbabe is to be a PDF game, just like Elfs.)

I suspect, Ron, that is because they, like me, REALLY like their Sorcerer hardbacks, and want to see the same thing for Elfs and Trollbabe.

Plus a book with Elfs on one side, and, say, Trollbabes on the other, printed upside down, in that old "two books in one" fashion would just rawk. But you're the decision man, so what you say goes. ;-)

[Ben Morgan]

Ron,

I was initially confused because Matt was very specific about needing all the graphics in 600 DPI or greater, and warned us about the very large file sizes that would result.

But then, to assume anything is to make an ass out of u and me, so to speak. No problem.

[Ron Edwards]

Hey,

The 600 dpi thing is an example of "over-producing" for purposes of whatever decisions the future may hold. I've discovered that getting art in minimal-format is always a bad idea, and to overdo it (in terms of dpi especially) is much safer. It's always possible to strip it down; can't strip it up.

Kirt,
Again, the trouble is that what rawks is not always a good business choice, and that the success with Sorcerer as a book is the outcome of five years of careful marketing and slow, slow trading-up from format to format. I'd love to see Trollbabe as a book. You have no idea how much the material just screams out for book form. But that's exactly the sort of temptation that (a) ignores the lesson I learned that PDF-first works, and (b) sends small-press companies straight into Chapter 11.

Best,
Ron

[xiombarg]

Again, the trouble is that what rawks is not always a good business choice, and that the success with Sorcerer as a book is the outcome of five years of careful marketing and slow, slow trading-up from format to format. I'd love to see Trollbabe as a book. You have no idea how much the material just screams out for book form. But that's exactly the sort of temptation that (a) ignores the lesson I learned that PDF-first works, and (b) sends small-press companies straight into Chapter 11.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I can dream, can't I?

Regardless, I'm eagerly anticipating the PDF.

[Henry Fitch]

I suspect, Ron, that is because they, like me, REALLY like their Sorcerer hardbacks, and want to see the same thing for Elfs and Trollbabe.

Eh. I'd prefer saddle-staple myself, and a PDF above all. I love being able to stick a bunch of games in a binder. But I think I'm in a very small minority.