Grabbing weapons

[Jake Norwood]

Then he suffers the same penalty as someone who's been "trapped," unless he opts ot drop his weapon. ALternatively, some kind of contest to regain control of the weapon may be appropriate. But as a fighter, I'd never give them the chance to regain it...I'd close or strike.

Jake

[svenlein]

Ok here is a possible distillation:

If a player wished to grab a thrust at him he would execute a counter
with an additional +1 to activation cost, if successful the weapon would
be trapped and in the next exchange the person who grabbed would get 1
extra die per Margin of Success wether he attacks or chooses to wrestle.

Scott

[Jake Norwood]

soudns great

[Thirsty Viking]

Ok here is a possible distillation:

If a player wished to grab a thrust at him he would execute a counter
with an additional +1 to activation cost, if successful the weapon would
be trapped and in the next exchange the person who grabbed would get 1
extra die per Margin of Success wether he attacks or chooses to wrestle.

Scott

I'd do one of two things i think...   though i have no expertise to back it up.   Either the Counter should be at a higher target number (you have to not only grab the weapon but not get hit.  Very precise timing here IMAO.  Or you need a quick contest of Str, because even on a failed rapier thrust,  the opponet is trying to recover his weapon.  (Bonus success on the STR contest based on margin of victory in the counter?)  

Does this seem unreasonable to those who have actually attempted such manuevers?  I'd think grabbing the weapon would be harder than a standard counter where you aren't trying to take control of the opponents weapon next round.  As you've suggested it,  it sounds easier than a beat in several instances, and less restricted.

[Jake Norwood]

I wouldn't play with the target number. It honestly really isn't that hard, though it is harder than a simple parry. I think the extra CP from the proposed rule--or maybe another if you think it's too easy--should be plenty. Remember, it only works against a thrust, and you still have to pull it off.

Jake

[Thirsty Viking]

I wouldn't play with the target number. It honestly really isn't that hard, though it is harder than a simple parry. I think the extra CP from the proposed rule--or maybe another if you think it's too easy--should be plenty. Remember, it only works against a thrust, and you still have to pull it off.

Jake

Maybe you are right jake,   But having a grab weapon at TN 6  Versus a TN 7 parry,  it isn't going to be very hard to do.   Versus a spear, it is much Cheaper than a beat.

[MrGeneHa]

I've just been reading a book on the battle for Iwo Jima (IWO by Richard Wheeler, 1980) and it includes a relevant quote:

"One Marine, charged by a saber-swinging officer, caught the blade with his bare hands, wrung it free, and hacked the officer to death with it.  This Marine left the island with two heavily bandaged hands, and with the sword clutched firmly to his breast." Page 149

Keep in mind that the Marine wasn't trained to disarm swordsmen, the Japanese officer had very little sword training, and we have no idea how nice of a katana it was.  Also, both of them were battle weary, and the Japanese was probably dehydrated and hungry.  But it can be done, even by amateurs (hopefully going up against other amateurs).

Gene Ha (first post here)

[Jake Norwood]

I've just been reading a book on the battle for Iwo Jima (IWO by Richard Wheeler, 1980) and it includes a relevant quote:

"One Marine, charged by a saber-swinging officer, caught the blade with his bare hands, wrung it free, and hacked the officer to death with it.  This Marine left the island with two heavily bandaged hands, and with the sword clutched firmly to his breast." Page 149

Keep in mind that the Marine wasn't trained to disarm swordsmen, the Japanese officer had very little sword training, and we have no idea how nice of a katana it was.  Also, both of them were battle weary, and the Japanese was probably dehydrated and hungry.  But it can be done, even by amateurs (hopefully going up against other amateurs).

Gene Ha (first post here)

I've heard this before, and I've always loved it. Not too much constructive to add...I just wanted to say...

Jake

[Lyrax]

Ha!  I love your sig, Gene!