The Forge Forums Read-only Archives
The live Forge Forums
|
Articles
|
Reviews
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
March 05, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Forum changes:
Editing of posts has been turned off until further notice.
Search:
Advanced search
275647
Posts in
27717
Topics by
4283
Members Latest Member:
-
otto
Most online today:
55
- most online ever:
429
(November 03, 2007, 04:35:43 AM)
The Forge Archives
Independent Game Forums
Adept Press
(Moderator:
Ron Edwards
)
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
Pages: [
1
]
« previous
next »
Author
Topic: Sorcerer & Sword printing news (Read 1758 times)
Ron Edwards
Global Moderator
Member
Posts: 16490
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
on:
September 26, 2003, 07:42:14 PM »
Hello,
Sorcerer & Sword sold out from the warehouse yesterday. I still have a handful of copies left over from GenCon and will be fulfilling orders myself with those.
But meanwhile, my good ol' printer is churning out another print run of Sorcerer & Sword, and they tell me "three weeks." So I might have to tell a customer or two to wait (if they miss the big News Item at the website, for instance), but all should be well.
The really good news is that I can pay for the new print run right out of the Adept checking account, without needing to use the credit card. I'm still digging my way out from GenCon expenses on the Adept Visa, and although profits outweigh that monthly expense nicely, it's slow.
Which is a subtle way of saying, direct sales profits are grossly high. I pull in at least $100 a week from on-line game sales, and often quite a bit more. Last week was almost embarassing.
Interesting point: I considered using the digital printer that Paul used for My Life with Master, Express Media. I've heard a lot of good things about them from others as well, and I like their deals. This would have been a major shift for me, as the Sorcerer books are all printed using hard core traditional methods. As it turned out, given that I get re-print prices with the printer and also that my print run sizes are kind of in a weird middle ground between "short" and "commercial," the traditional print price won out.
But you can bet I'm going with Express Media for Trollbabe and Elfs, barring some unforeseen cost or barrier. Further announcements about
that
as events warrant.
Best,
Ron
Logged
Jeffrey Straszheim
Member
Posts: 112
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #1 on:
September 26, 2003, 08:01:08 PM »
Does this mean you're planning a print run of Trollbabe?
*hopping around*
Wheeeeee!
*cartwheels*
Logged
Jeffrey Straszheim
Ron Edwards
Global Moderator
Member
Posts: 16490
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #2 on:
September 27, 2003, 09:05:11 PM »
Hello,
It all depends on the bids and prices that I get from the printer-people. If they do me as well as they've done some others, hard copies of both Elfs and Trollbabe look quite likely.
I'll need new layout, new art, a cover for Elfs, and ads to stick in the back, and a bunch of re-written text for snippets and portions. That ought to keep me busy for a little while.
My real goal is to see some Elfs play that really nails the game. So far, I consider it highly under-rated, and am considering toning down the potty stuff because it seems to override everything else in people's minds. I'm also wondering whether it should be pitched as a vicious slam on D&D or a joyful celebration thereof. And whether Hackmaster did the latter sufficiently well to leave alone.
Trollbabe's planned modifications are well documented. There are a couple of rules changes. I'd like to amp up the Author Stance and provide specific limitations and restrictions on Director Stance. I'd also like to provide examples and reinforcements for long-term play, emphasizing that the story of Trollbabe is character-centered, and the situations per scenario are literally bits and steps in
her
story.
Best,
Ron
Logged
b_bankhead
Member
Posts: 259
Re: Your're grossing HOW MUCH ???????
«
Reply #3 on:
September 28, 2003, 05:40:17 PM »
Quote from: Ron Edwards
Hello,
The really good news is that I can pay for the new print run right out of the Adept checking account, without needing to use the credit card. I'm still digging my way out from GenCon expenses on the Adept Visa, and although profits outweigh that monthly expense nicely, it's slow.
Which is a subtle way of saying, direct sales profits are grossly high. I pull in at least $100 a week from on-line game sales, and often quite a bit more. Last week was almost embarassing.
(MY jaw drops and eyes bug......)
Sweet jumpin Jesus and his black brother Harry ! you mean some mondo wierdo ,third world, obscure rpg can pull down THIS kind of bucks!!!???
(I begin to RADICALLY alter my opinion of the idea of becoming and indie rpg publiser!)
Good god Ron! Way to go......
Logged
Got Art? Need Art? Check out
SENTINEL GRAPHICS
Valamir
Member
Posts: 5574
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #4 on:
September 28, 2003, 08:29:51 PM »
Heh...yeah...and then you wonder why we ain't lining up begging to be published by the "big guys". The big guys can barely pay their freelancers on time. I don't make as much as Ron a week, but I've got a steady stream of sales that goes right into my own pocket without needing to wait to see if the distributor actually pays me before going under.
You didn't really think the Forge was about vanity press did you?
Logged
Ralph Mazza
Universalis: The Game of Unlimited Stories
Ron Edwards
Global Moderator
Member
Posts: 16490
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #5 on:
September 29, 2003, 06:59:58 AM »
Hi B,
"Industry" is defined as commerce which enriches more people than the production-personnel. That's not an official definition, but it's the only one which makes any sense to me.
So if I were selling Sorcerer on a street corner, and even if it made enough money to cover costs, it wouldn't be an "industry" - just commerce.
But I can pay artists and printers up front. I can provide free advertising to fellow publishers. I can even make some small money for retailers if they keep their heads and understand what they're selling; significantly, I'm one of the few small press publishers who was not dropped by Alliance over the last year (knock wood).
I can do all of these things out of profits, not external funding. Furthermore, people are playing Sorcerer constantly and continuously spreading knowledge of it elsewhere. Even the ones who didn't like it get disturbed enough about their own play-habits to start thinking a bit.
So look at Adept Press, and look at a number of other independent publishers who either preceded it (e.g. Apophis Consortium) or parallel it (e.g. Issaries, Key 20). Also look at companies whose games aren't in the stores but otherwise fulfil the "enrich others too" criterion (Half Meme Press, Ramshead Publishing).
Who's the "industry"? We are. Not "the Forge," but the general activity of which the Forge is one vocal part.
B, I have a judgment call for you. It's time for you to stop being bitter about playing and buying role-playing games. The industry is real. This is it. The games are fascinating, affordable, playable, and actively played all 'round. Let the past be past.
Best,
Ron
Logged
arxhon
Member
Posts: 254
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #6 on:
October 22, 2003, 08:04:38 PM »
Hi Ron,
I'm happy to hear that Adept Press is doing well. Congratulations! :-)
I'm also happy to hear that Elfs and Trollbabe may be hitting the presses soon. If they do, consider me sold on a copy of each.
Logged
Ron Edwards
Global Moderator
Member
Posts: 16490
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #7 on:
October 28, 2003, 03:16:01 PM »
Hello,
The new books just shipped to the warehouse, so all seems well in print land.
So now what'm I supposed to do with hundreds of copies of Sorcerer & Sword?
Sell
them or something?
Best,
Ron
Logged
joshua neff
Member
Posts: 949
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #8 on:
October 28, 2003, 06:24:42 PM »
Tell your students they have a new textbook they have to buy for class.
Logged
--josh
"You can't ignore a rain of toads!"--Mike Holmes
Mike Holmes
Acts of Evil Playtesters
Member
Posts: 10459
Sorcerer & Sword printing news
«
Reply #9 on:
October 29, 2003, 12:31:14 PM »
Huh, that's odd. I can actually hear Ron's brain contemplating how to make S&S part of the curriculum from a whole city away.
Sell those babies!
Mike
Logged
Member of
Indie Netgaming
-Get your indie game fix online.
Pages: [
1
]
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Welcome to the Archives
-----------------------------
=> Welcome to the Archives
-----------------------------
General Forge Forums
-----------------------------
=> First Thoughts
=> Playtesting
=> Endeavor
=> Actual Play
=> Publishing
=> Connections
=> Conventions
=> Site Discussion
-----------------------------
Archive
-----------------------------
=> RPG Theory
=> GNS Model Discussion
=> Indie Game Design
-----------------------------
Independent Game Forums
-----------------------------
=> Adept Press
=> Arkenstone Publishing
=> Beyond the Wire Productions
=> Black and Green Games
=> Bully Pulpit Games
=> Dark Omen Games
=> Dog Eared Designs
=> Eric J. Boyd Designs
=> Errant Knight Games
=> Galileo Games
=> glyphpress
=> Green Fairy Games
=> Half Meme Press
=> Incarnadine Press
=> lumpley games
=> Muse of Fire Games
=> ndp design
=> Night Sky Games
=> one.seven design
=> Robert Bohl Games
=> Stone Baby Games
=> These Are Our Games
=> Twisted Confessions
=> Universalis
=> Wild Hunt Studios
-----------------------------
Inactive Forums
-----------------------------
=> My Life With Master Playtest
=> Adamant Entertainment
=> Bob Goat Press
=> Burning Wheel
=> Cartoon Action Hour
=> Chimera Creative
=> CRN Games
=> Destroy All Games
=> Evilhat Productions
=> HeroQuest
=> Key 20 Publishing
=> Memento-Mori Theatricks
=> Mystic Ages Online
=> Orbit
=> Scattershot
=> Seraphim Guard
=> Wicked Press
=> Review Discussion
=> XIG Games
=> SimplePhrase Press
=> The Riddle of Steel
=> Random Order Creations
=> Forge Birthday Forum