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4/17/2001 GreatWolf: G/N/S and the Contract
Okay. Here is a topic to start us off (I think) So much of the discussion about G/N/S has centered purely around system and I wonder if we are neglecting…
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Participants: GreatWolf, Ron Edwards.

4/12/2001 Logan: Intro to Madness
It's very kind of this site's hosts to leave a GNS forum in place. Thank you. Also thanks to Paul Czege for advising me that this forum is here. No…
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Participants: Logan, Ron Edwards, GreatWolf, Jimmy the Barrel, Mytholder.

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4/25/2001 Ron Edwards: All-out dissection (LONG AND BRUTAL)
Hey there. Whooooo ... I'm getting very nervous, considering what I'm about to say. What follows is the transcript of some dialogue between me and Paul Czege around the turn…
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Participants: Ron Edwards, Clinton R. Nixon, Paul Czege, Mytholder, Jared A. Sorensen, Logan, GreatWolf, Ian O'Rourke, greyorm, Blake Hutchins, Mike Holmes, Zak Arntson, Poxface, Valamir, Supplanter.

4/27/2001 Paul Czege: GM control of player character concept across G/N/S
Hey everyone, Years ago, I came up with a scenario concept for AD&D that required all the player characters to be clerics. I think the idea was that a sacred…
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Participants: Paul Czege, Ron Edwards.

4/30/2001 Paul Czege: a variant phylogeny
Hey everyone, Somewhere in our G/N/S thoughts, between the creation of the RPG hobby in the 70's by TSR with a Gamist game and more recent developments of Narrativist game…
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Participants: Paul Czege, GreatWolf, Clinton R. Nixon, Ron Edwards.

4/30/2001 Clinton R. Nixon: All out for Gamism
Perhaps because it seems to be the newest evolution in RPG's, Narrativism seems to get a tremendous focus in terms of what elements are needed for a good Narrativist game.…
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Participants: Clinton R. Nixon, Ron Edwards, GreatWolf, Mytholder, Dav, Ian O'Rourke.

5/2/2001 George Pletz: Drift, Synergy, & The Great Unspoken
Hello all! In Paul's thread, A Variant Phylogeny, Ron made a comment about how early RPG may have played as narrativist but were written in simulation. This made me think…
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Participants: George Pletz, Mytholder, Ron Edwards.

5/2/2001 poppocabba: method roleplaying
here is an article I am starting work on and looking for some feedback as to how to incorporate these ideas into an rpg design Radio Method role playing Introduction…
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Participants: poppocabba, Ron Edwards.

5/5/2001 poppocabba: defining player types
here is the start of another article I was thinking that the traditional descriptions of rpg players are not unified enough, and given the contrasts in my current ground I…
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Participants: poppocabba, Ron Edwards.

5/8/2001 Ian O'Rourke: Fengshui: Simulationist?
Okay, I understand why it could be viewed as simulationist (and may be it is), as it puts all its mechanics into simulating an action movie world. What concerns me…
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Participants: Ian O'Rourke, Ron Edwards, Mytholder, George Pletz, Clinton R. Nixon, Jared A. Sorensen, Mike Holmes, Valamir, Gordon C. Landis.

5/9/2001 Clinton R. Nixon: System doesn't matter, as narrated by E. Gary Gygax
(from a recent interview at http://www.cdmag.com/Home/home.html?article=/articles/032/127/010507-f2.html) Interviewer: There are quite a few "freeware" role-playing games on the Internet these days... EGG: Right. And they're worth every penny you pay…
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Participants: Clinton R. Nixon, Dav, Ron Edwards, Mytholder, Jason L Blair, greyorm.

5/9/2001 Ron Edwards: A proposed policy for all of us
Hey, I'm thinking about the inevitable day when someone shows up at the Forge and launches into an anti-G/N/S rant. I'm not talking about an honest inquiry, even if it's…
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Participants: Ron Edwards, Clinton R. Nixon, greyorm, james_west.

5/9/2001 Logan: Incorrect Assumptions
Some of our assumptions about the G/S/D and also G/N/S may be incorrect. For instance, Ron and I have thought that John Kim's 3-fold debate didn't go anywhere. Not true.…
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Participants: Logan, james_west, Ron Edwards, greyorm.

5/10/2001 james_west: theoretical game spaces (17k in images)
I'd not heard of the narrativist/gamist/simulationist axes before looking over this website a few days ago. However, I've looked over not only the material here but related material on other…
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Participants: james_west, Ron Edwards.

5/10/2001 Clinton R. Nixon: Psychological simulationism
In the Feng Shui thread, it was asked if any thought had been given to psychological simulationism in RPGs. My three examples to rip apart would be: The White Wolf…
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Participants: Clinton R. Nixon, Ron Edwards, Jared A. Sorensen.

5/10/2001 Gordon C. Landis: "Story" thoughts
Great stuff here, everyone. I'm never sure I actually understand G/N/S, nor if it is even really a "good" analysis of RPGs in general, but it (and the discussions on…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, james_west, Ron Edwards, joshua neff.

5/11/2001 james_west: friendlier G/N/S definitions
I've been thinking about a less confrontational set of G/N/S definitions: see what you think. Put this way, I think most people would call themselves Gamist ... note that by…
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Participants: james_west, Logan, Jared A. Sorensen, Gordon C. Landis, Zak Arntson, Ron Edwards, greyorm, joshua neff, Paul Czege, GreatWolf, Mike Holmes.

5/12/2001 Ian O'Rourke: Player Behaviour Dangers
I tend to agree with Ron (and whoever else), as I think GNS can be used to classify player behaviour, most people fall into one category in the main. I…
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Participants: Ian O'Rourke, Logan, Ron Edwards, Zak Arntson, hardcoremoose, joshua neff, james_west, Gordon C. Landis.

5/13/2001 greyorm: Some more definition insanity
In a recent message here, Ron, it seemed you were saying that the narrative game has far-reaching plots set-up in advance ala Tolkien and the simulationist game is more like…
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Participants: greyorm, Ron Edwards, james_west.

5/16/2001 james_west: strong vs weak narrativism
(I apologize in advance for any possible mangling of others' words or meanings.) I've seen a lot of apparently quite different definitions of narrativism in this forum. Upon reflection, however,…
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Participants: james_west, joshua neff, Ron Edwards, Blake Hutchins.

5/18/2001 Dav: Gygax is still alive?
The man should be caned. RPGNet: Beginning around the early 1990s, the roleplaying world experienced a "movement," the nature and definition of which is still up for furious debate, characterized…
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Participants: Dav, Ron Edwards, Clinton R. Nixon, joshua neff, Logan, Jared A. Sorensen, Zak Arntson, Gordon C. Landis, james_west, Mytholder, Paul Czege.

5/20/2001 joshua neff: three-headed dog
over on rpg.net, someone posted a question, asking which game he should buy, "rune", "dying earth", or "pendragon"... & it just struck me: is this a great example of "gamist",…
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Participants: joshua neff, james_west, Paul Czege, Ron Edwards, Ian O'Rourke.

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