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Started by Walt Freitag, May 13, 2002, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Jared A. SorensenI can't define the word/concept of game by myself. But I do know in my heart (FWIW) that this conscious decision is required. This is why I don't think simulationist RPGs are games. The first question is what do you do?And when the exploration of character/setting is brought up as the answer, I have to ask...well how do you know when you're done?
Quote from: Jared A. SorensenA game is a game when there is a conscious effort/decision on the part of the player to MAKE it a game.I can't define the word/concept of game by myself. But I do know in my heart (FWIW) that this conscious decision is required. This is why I don't think simulationist RPGs are games.
Quote from: xiombargFirst, and most of, all, what about fun? I know Jared has said RPGs don't have to fun, but isn't that what makes it a game, and not work.
QuoteAs an example, if someone comes up to me with a loaded pistol and forces me at gunpoint to dig ditches, telling me I must dig one 2 foot by 3 foot by 6 feet deep ditch every hour or he'll shoot me, well, what I'm doing is a game, right?
Quote from: wfreitagGame (n): An activity or process, involving at least one participant (hereinafter referred to as a "player"), that meets three criteria:1. The player has a goal.
Quote from: wfreitag2. The decisions of the player affect whether or not the player’s goal is accomplished.
Quote from: wfreitag3. The determination of whether or not, or how effectively, the goal is accomplished is more important to the player than the direct consequences of pursuing or accomplishing the goal.[/color]
QuoteDoes the goal need to be significant?
QuoteDoes the player have to be actively pursuing the goal?
QuoteDoes it need to be directly related to the game?
QuoteIf I am playing pool with my mates on a Saturday afternoon, and me reason for playing is to be with my mates and I don't care if I win or lose, am I still playing a game?
QuoteIs it a game if it's totally random? Is Snakes and Ladders a game?
QuoteSo a family playing 'I Spy' on a long car journey to kill time are only playing a game if they are keeping score ? Not if they are just doing it for fun or to kill time?
Quote'I go to work to earn money' seems to fit all rules.
Quote from: joe_llamaSimulation is legit but it's not a game, so please don't write on the box that it is.
Quote from: wfreitagWould you still play an evening of poker with your pals if at the end of the evening, all the money was restored to its original owners? Probably, though you might wonder why you bothered with the poker and suggest just watching videos next time.
Quote from: wfreitagWould you still go to work if you didn't get paid? I'll leave that one up to you.- Walt
Quote from: AndyGuestQuoteHmm, that to me suggests that there is no such thing as an entity/activity that is inherently a game, there are merely activities which may or may not be a game depending on the motivations of those involved ? Thats pretty much how I see it. IMO, there is a subset of games which exist for entertainment; this is what we conventionally refer to as "a game", something fairly trivial. But that, quite literally, is just the tip of the iceberg.
QuoteHmm, that to me suggests that there is no such thing as an entity/activity that is inherently a game, there are merely activities which may or may not be a game depending on the motivations of those involved ?