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11/9/2002 Mask-of-Winters: Combat simulators?
Hiya gang. Just tried to download the combat simulator programs offered on theriddleofsteel.net and both the links are broken. Is there another site I can find these nifty-sounding utilities? Also...…
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: Mask-of-Winters, Brian Leybourne, Wolfen, Jake Norwood, Ashren Va'Hale.

11/9/2002 Cassidy: Developed Premise and Exploration
[quote="Ron Edwards, from GNS Chapter 5, ROLE-PLAYING DESIGN AND COHERENCE"]Facilitating a metagame concern (a developed Premise) differs greatly from Exploring a listed element as a priority. To address a Premise,…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Cassidy, Ron Edwards, MK Snyder, Paganini.

11/9/2002 Steve Dustin: Creature Feature Initial Playtest
Although I haven't completed writing the playtest version of Creature Feature yet, I got the first taste of how it might play (and made some changes already) just recently. A…
In Actual Play
Participants: Steve Dustin.

11/9/2002 M. J. Young: Responding to the Invitation
Please don't think me ungracious; I really do appreciate being invited to the forum. I have too much on my plate as it is, and my wife would shoot me…
In Scattershot
Participants: M. J. Young, Le Joueur, Bankuei, Andrew Martin, Mike Holmes.

11/9/2002 Jonathan Walton: The Case for 4 Stances
Take a look at this: http://www.100flowers.indie-rpgs.com/stance-chart.jpg Key to Chart: (Terms in Parens) = essential, understood limits = arbitrary limits that can be changed player = every…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Jonathan Walton, MK Snyder, Mike Holmes, Tim C Koppang, Le Joueur, Kester Pelagius, talysman, Ron Edwards, lumpley, Walt Freitag, M. J. Young, JMendes, Jared A. Sorensen.

11/9/2002 MK Snyder: NLS model of characterising players by preferences...
I've been browsing the back posts at rec.games.frp.advocacy, and Kim's FAQ, and Ron's essay here... I see the "Threefold Model" has changed over the years. In 1997, it was applied…
In RPG Theory
Participants: MK Snyder, greyorm, Le Joueur, Ron Edwards.

11/9/2002 Kester Pelagius: Role-Playing and the GNS Theory (raw article, lengthy)
[color=blue]Copyright © 2002 C. Demetrius Morgan[/color] [color=darkblue]What follows below is intended as a encyclopedic reference entry on the subject of "Role-Playing and the GNS Theory". Alas, as there are no…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Kester Pelagius, MK Snyder, Mike Holmes, Ron Edwards, Seth L. Blumberg, Walt Freitag.

11/9/2002 Blake Hutchins: MUSE: some thoughts on heroic fantasy
It's finally happened. I've been mulling over a game design, primarily as a design exercise that incorporates techniques and ideas I've learned on the Forge. My goal is to produce…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: Blake Hutchins, Jonathan Walton, Gwen, ADGConscience, Mike Holmes.

11/8/2002 Jonathan Walton: What's Wrong with Pawn Stance?
Okay, let me go ahead and answer my own question: "Nothing, if it's what you want." My point is that I think Pawn Stance has gotten a bad rap. First…
In RPG Theory
Participants: Jonathan Walton, MK Snyder, Jack Spencer Jr, Christoffer Lernö, Ron Edwards, Paul Czege, Mike Holmes, Tim C Koppang, lumpley, xiombarg.

11/8/2002 Mike Holmes: Hero Wars in an Alternate Setting - Session II
See about set up and Session 1 here. Lot's quieter this week, as my wife had taken my two-year old son out of town. Nice. Anyhow, things started off with…
In Actual Play
Participants: Mike Holmes, joshua neff, Ron Edwards, Valamir, hardcoremoose, Ian Cooper, Julie.

11/8/2002 MK Snyder: GNS and Threefold comparison (specific)
How does the GNS model differ from this application of the Threefold model? It appears to me to be identical: *Applies to play process, not game and not gamer *Applies…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: MK Snyder, Mike Holmes, Le Joueur, greyorm, talysman, Ron Edwards.

11/7/2002 Ron Edwards: Humor and GNS
Hi MK, I think introducing the issue of humor is causing problems of its own. I have experienced funny stuff in all three modes of play without stretching or adding…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Ron Edwards, Seth L. Blumberg, Mike Holmes, contracycle, MK Snyder, Walt Freitag, talysman, greyorm, M. J. Young.

11/8/2002 jburneko: Reactions To Trollbabe Comic
Hello, So, I think personally the jury is still out for me on what I think of the first Trollbabe story. However, I have been showing the strip to a…
In Adept Press
Participants: jburneko, Paul Czege, Ron Edwards, Valamir, Gordon C. Landis, wyrdlyng, joshua neff, Bankuei, ethan_greer, Uncle Dark.

11/8/2002 Matt Snyder: Task vs. Conflict; Eroding the "whiff factor"
I've been thinking about all kinds of game design schtuff, lately. While writing notes to myself in my little "game design journal," I came upon some ideas that surely have…
In RPG Theory
Participants: Matt Snyder, Paul Czege, Jared A. Sorensen, ethan_greer, Christoffer Lernö, J B Bell, Gordon C. Landis, Ron Edwards, Valamir.

11/8/2002 Ron Edwards: About terminology
Hello, This post is directed mainly to Ralph and to MK Snyder, who have recently voiced an uncompromising criticism over the terms I've adopted or introduced. The argument, if I…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Ron Edwards, Paganini, Alan, Le Joueur, Valamir, J B Bell, Gordon C. Landis, Christoffer Lernö, Kester Pelagius, Mike Holmes, MK Snyder, M. J. Young, greyorm, contracycle, Irmo, JMendes, Cassidy, Jonathan Walton.

11/8/2002 Tony Irwin: Narrativist vs Director Stance
Hey folks, have I got this right? That you can have a narrativist game where the players have no director stance at all? I suppose that the premise would automatically…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: Tony Irwin, Ron Edwards, Paganini.

11/8/2002 Shreyas Sampat: Torchbearer: Boxes within Boxes
[i]There is a legendary sanctum at Veamaandhi's Basilica of Red Cliff. It can hardly be called a chamber; at best it's a pavilion. It sits atop the Great Hall, open…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: Shreyas Sampat, Andrew Martin, GreatWolf, Emily Care, Mike Holmes, Jonathan Walton.

11/8/2002 ejh: Quick Complication question
OK, trying to understand the rules here... Basic rules: 1. Complication with two Targets, therefore a total of three Dice Pools. The Targets win, the Complication does not succeed in…
In Universalis
Participants: ejh, J B Bell, Valamir, Bob McNamee, Paganini.

11/8/2002 Misguided Games: Advertising in Model Retailer
Crossposted from GPA list: apologies to those who saw it there. I'm setting up a polybagged insert in next March's Model retailer magazine. The insert will go to about 1000…
In Publishing
Participants: Misguided Games.

11/7/2002 b_bankhead: Narrative Spaceships
One of the most important characters in any kind of show begining with the work 'Star' is usually given short shrift in discussions of narrative games. That character of cours…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: b_bankhead, Andrew Martin, Mike Holmes.

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11/10/2002 MK Snyder: Scattershot Gaming Model
Continuing discsussion of the Gaming Model Just a stylistic suggestion that might make some of the ideas easier to grasp--consider adding some graphic elements such as axes or tables so…
In Scattershot
Participants: MK Snyder, Le Joueur.

11/10/2002 catenwolde: Sorceror (& Sword) and the LoTR
I'm still checking the post every day for my copies of Sorceror and Sword to arrive, so you'll have to forgive me if some of this is way off -…
In Adept Press
Participants: catenwolde, hardcoremoose, Ron Edwards, Paka, Clay, greyorm, Valamir, Ace, talysman, Emily Care, GreatWolf, b_bankhead, Gordon C. Landis, Manu, Irmo, Mike Holmes.

11/10/2002 RobMuadib: TMW:COTEC - Rewards Systems Costs (LONGISH)
Hi all I have put together the tentative rules for the Rewards System Costs, and was wondering how you guys think this would work. The essential concept here, in terms…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: RobMuadib, Mike Holmes, Tony Irwin.

11/10/2002 hyphz: Some other niggly little questions
Thanks for everyone's help here.. I just was wondering about a few other things: - On the Master Screen, which three sheets are supposed to face the players? - When…
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: hyphz, Brian Leybourne, Mokkurkalfe, Jake Norwood, Lyrax, Wolfen, Jaif.

11/10/2002 RobMuadib: Are The Sub-Priorities of Simulationism Incompatible?
Hi all I was reading the Is S out of balance with G/N thread started by J Mendes and it gave rise to a thought, specifically with regards to the…
In GNS Model Discussion
Participants: RobMuadib, Ron Edwards.

11/11/2002 scobie: Casefile: ZODIAC - First draft available
Hi folks I've only recently discovered the Forge and it looks like a good place to share my humble first draft rules for a game which I am developing. The…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: scobie, Andrew Martin, Ron Edwards, Shreyas Sampat.

11/11/2002 Brian Leybourne: Need a quick favor...
Hey guys, I'm trying to get a file to Jake. The problem is that it's over a meg (1.6, actually) and I can't email it from any of my email…
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: Brian Leybourne, Jason.

11/11/2002 Christoffer Lernö: What's the best way to present a mechanic for discussion?
Hi All, I know this is a little late for me to ask (doh!), but what is really the best way to present a system one has written? I'm talking…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: Christoffer Lernö, Gordon C. Landis, Valamir, Ron Edwards, Paul Czege, talysman, Jeph, SrGrvsaLot, Andy Kitkowski, permacultureguerilla, Shreyas Sampat, greyorm, Doctor Xero, Alex Johnson, Adorame.

11/11/2002 Shadeling: Should Undead Be Immune to BL, Shock, and Pain?
I was just wondering if Undead type creatures should ignore most BL, Shock and Pain rolls, especially wounds that aren't actually severing their limbs and breaking their bones.
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: Shadeling, Jake Norwood.

11/11/2002 James V. West: The Pool--hardcore
Let the beatings begin. Here is the hardcore version of The Pool. Most everything is restored to its original form, with some differences. I've read it over and over but…
In Random Order Creations
Participants: James V. West, Bob McNamee, J. Backman, Paganini, Mark Withers, xiombarg, Ron Edwards, Zoetrope10.

11/11/2002 Paganini: whoa there
<empty post> Argh.
In RPG Theory
Participants: Paganini, lumpley, Ron Edwards.

11/11/2002 Ron Edwards: Illusionism: a new look and a new approach
Hello, I decided to write a piece on Illusionist play from the ground up. Any material preceding this one may be considered a past influence, and I'm putting this up…
In RPG Theory
Participants: Ron Edwards, jburneko, Bob McNamee, Paganini, M. J. Young, contracycle, Marco, Mike Holmes, Walt Freitag, Seth L. Blumberg, MK Snyder, Mytholder, Christoffer Lernö, Valamir.

11/11/2002 Kenway: MyGame: "Advancement via Notoriety and PC-summoned foes
"Advancement via Notoriety and PC-summoned foes" From the similarly-named thread in the rpg theory forum, here are 2 ideas for a new system. Setting, characters, etc. still need to be…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: Kenway, Anthony, talysman, Bob McNamee, Rich Forest.

11/11/2002 Valamir: Winged Hussars
For those interested in seeing what the really cool Winged Hussar armor from the 17th century looked like check the link below. If you have an extra 3 grand lieing…
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: Valamir, Irmo, Wolfen, Jake Norwood, Lyrax.

11/11/2002 GreatWolf: Lord of the Rings thread on Adept Press forum
There is a discussion of Lord of the Rings going on over on the Adept Press forum. You can find the thread here. I wanted to link to it because…
In Dark Omen Games
Participants: GreatWolf, Mike Holmes, Jason L Blair.

11/12/2002 Jonathan Walton: Storypunk: The Troupe
If you are not familar with the previous threads about this game, don't worry. You don't need to be. Still, if you're interested, searching for "storypunk" will turn up everything…
In Indie Game Design
Participants: Jonathan Walton, J. Backman, szilard, Shreyas Sampat.

11/12/2002 Ron Edwards: Second Trollbabe story's up
Hi there, Right on schedule, the second Trollbabe story has begun at the Adept Press site. This one's called "The Green Goo Feud" and it's illustrated by Rod Anderson. Thoughts…
In Adept Press
Participants: Ron Edwards, Seth L. Blumberg, lumpley, Valamir, xiombarg, Paul Czege, Rod Anderson.

11/12/2002 Ron Edwards: Mainstream: a revision
Hello, I'd like to address the issue of mainstream vs. alternative content in role-playing games. My views are essentially the same as those expressed by the proprietors of Page 45,…
In Publishing
Participants: Ron Edwards, Emily Care, Jonathan Walton, Le Joueur, PeterAdkison, MK Snyder, Tundra, xiombarg, jburneko, Seth L. Blumberg, Pramas, Jack Spencer Jr, Jon H, Paul Czege, James Holloway, mearls, talysman, Eric J., greyorm, joshua neff, Christopher Kubasik, C. Edwards, quozl, Walt Freitag, b_bankhead.

11/12/2002 toli: Barsoom, John Carter of Mars--alternate TROS worlds
Ever once and a while, some one seems notes that TROS rules would be good for a certain setting or that a particular movie has a TROS feel. I've always…
In The Riddle of Steel
Participants: toli, spunky, Durgil, Ron Edwards, Jake Norwood, Blake Hutchins, Sneaky Git.

11/12/2002 Jared A. Sorensen: superhero gaming without superhero characters
And I'm not talking about The Code. In a nutshell, the player characters are people in a city where superheroes exist. Think of it like the series "Marvels" where the…
In Memento-Mori Theatricks
Participants: Jared A. Sorensen, Le Joueur, Ron Edwards, Emily Care, Tim C Koppang, Derek Devlin, Clinton R. Nixon, gospog, Maurice Forrester, xiombarg.

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