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1/31/2002 Fabrice G.: Scenario in a Narrativist game ?
Well hi every one, it's one of my first post so i want to tanks all of you for being very inspirational and every thing ...(well you'll only get this…
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Participants: Fabrice G., Zak Arntson, Uncle Dark, contracycle, Ron Edwards, furashgf.

1/28/2002 james_west: Ron's Essay
I've been busy - hadn't got around to reading Ron's essay before now. So, my take on it: First, it's marvelously well written - very rigorous. Even if you don't…
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Participants: james_west, Ron Edwards, Le Joueur, Paul Czege.

1/21/2002 Stivven: Size limits for narrativist play
I was just wondering...what's the average group size is for primarily Narrativist play? I've been musing a little over immersion in LARPs and it struck me that I don't think…
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Participants: Stivven, Ron Edwards, Paul Czege, Bankuei, Laurel.

1/21/2002 Gordon C. Landis: "What's produced" vs. "In play"
Boy, I hope I'm not poking at a hornet's nest here - if that's the feeling anyone gets, ignore this post. Elsewhere, Ron posted this tidbit: A little note…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, Ron Edwards, Logan, jburneko, J B Bell, contracycle.

1/20/2002 Manu: A GNS model of Fading Suns ?
Hey, I thought I should pick your brains before launching into it, so here it goes: What in your opinion would be a quick model/description of Fading Suns in terms…
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Participants: Manu, Mike Holmes.

1/20/2002 Manu: Eventually Narrativist
Hello Forgers, I'm working on a home brew system, but I'm running into a weird obstacle: the game has to be initially Simulationist, but will gradually evolve into Narrativism. I…
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Participants: Manu, Ron Edwards, Paul Czege, Joe Murphy (Broin), hardcoremoose.

1/18/2002 contracycle: Differing goals
[quote="Ron Edwards"] As another example (that is often missed), I am perfectly happy with the notion that primarily Simulationist play can <i>include</i> the concept of "story" as a context or…
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Participants: contracycle, Ron Edwards.

1/18/2002 Laurel: Its All About Intent
This is a break off of the big Narrativism thread, because I think something is getting overlooked by a few folks that is important in Forge discussions in general. There…
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Participants: Laurel.

1/17/2002 Logan: Replacing
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Participants: Logan, Jared A. Sorensen, Ron Edwards, Paganini, Clinton R. Nixon, Mike Holmes, jburneko, Laurel, Gordon C. Landis, Paul Czege, Mytholder, contracycle, A.Neill, Marco, Le Joueur.

1/17/2002 Gordon C. Landis: Design theory vs. play desires
Seemed like I should split this out of the Narrativism thread if I wanted to comment on it - and I do . . . So I think so…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, Jared A. Sorensen, Ron Edwards, Laurel, Marco, Paganini, Le Joueur.

1/16/2002 Paganini: Identity Crisis
Ron mentioned elsewhere that The Window has a GNS identity crisis. As The Window was my first introduction to story centric gaming, it's still one of my "fan" systems, even…
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Participants: Paganini, Joe Murphy (Broin), Ron Edwards, Marco, contracycle, AndyGuest, Logan.

1/15/2002 Paganini: Narrativism
This came up in another thread (the one about player vs. GM power), but I thought it deserved it's own topic. Also, it's more appropriate for here, than for the…
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Participants: Paganini, Marco, jburneko, Clinton R. Nixon, joshua neff, Epoch, Ron Edwards, Le Joueur, Gordon C. Landis, hardcoremoose.

1/9/2002 Matt Gwinn: Metamorphoses of a Gamer
This may not be the right place for this, but I didn't know where else to post it. I had a conversation with Moose recently about why I haven't been…
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Participants: Matt Gwinn, Ron Edwards, efindel, joshua neff, Bankuei, Logan, hardcoremoose, Skippy.

1/7/2002 efindel: A Simulationist Thinks About Narrativism
Reading the recent threads about Simulationism and Narrativism, and also reading over my copies of Sorcerer and Sorcerer and Sword that I just got last week, it seems to me…
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Participants: efindel, Tim C Koppang, Ron Edwards, Gordon C. Landis, jburneko, Marco, contracycle, Daredevil, Mike Holmes.

12/31/2001 Knight: A systems discussion: the sword and the axe
One thing I'm not really comfortable with about the GNS model is it's application to game systems. So, this is an example of how three hypothetical systems of a medieval…
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Participants: Knight, lumpley, Ron Edwards, Logan, Marco, Mike Holmes, Paul Czege.

12/27/2001 Skippy: A Connecticut Narrativist in King Arthur's Simulation
Okay, that's a really bad thread title. However, I would like some input, if you all please. I have spent most of the day reviewing GNS threads, trying to bring…
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Participants: Skippy, Ron Edwards, Mike Holmes, Joe Murphy (Broin), joshua neff, Paul Czege, hardcoremoose, Ryan Ary, contracycle.

12/27/2001 Daredevil: El Dorado
This thread is a continuation of two threads I started previously: "Narrativism and Simulationism Under the Same Roof" and "Narrativism and Bobby G". Thinking about the responses, I've been able…
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Participants: Daredevil, Mike Holmes, Ron Edwards, unodiablo, Ryan Ary, joshua neff, Paul Czege, Jeffrey Straszheim, contracycle.

12/26/2001 Daredevil: Narrativism and Bobby G
I was reading the old thread about Ron's concept of the Bobby G scenario. That thread got me thinking about narrativism in general. I'll admit I have a shaky understanding…
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Participants: Daredevil, Le Joueur, Marco, hardcoremoose, Ryan Ary, Ron Edwards, Mike Holmes.

12/17/2001 Ian O'Rourke: Where is the innovation in System?
Okay, Ron’s article on FLN got me thinking about narrativist games in particular. I find some of them great, and others I just find myself wondering how they can be…
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Participants: Ian O'Rourke, joshua neff, Ron Edwards, Mike Holmes, jburneko, Jared A. Sorensen, Gordon C. Landis, Paul Czege, James V. West.

12/14/2001 Gordon C. Landis: The Importance of Being External
So I found myself arguing for the legitimacy of "internal" Gamist measurement of performance in the "Gamism: The pursuit of excellence" thread. I added a few words about how there…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, Ron Edwards.

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2/11/2002 Silent Tamatama: Abashed Vanilliaism
Seen two new terms (new for me anyway) called Vanilla Narrativism and Abashed Narrativism can anyone fill me in on what they are?
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Participants: Silent Tamatama, Paul Czege, J B Bell, Ron Edwards, Le Joueur, joe_llama, Knight.

2/14/2002 Steve Dustin: Narritivist vs. Simulationist:Situation
Let's see if I got this straight. Having read the essay various times and read these threads I'm understanding Narritivism and Simulationism for Situation as so: Narritivism: focus on story/theme…
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Participants: Steve Dustin, Ron Edwards, Clinton R. Nixon, contracycle, Mike Holmes, jburneko.

2/16/2002 Seth L. Blumberg: Styles of Simulationist systems
A certain amount of thought seems to have gone into developing a typology of Narrativist systems (abashed, vanilla, and "new school"/balls-to-the-wall being the three types that spring to mind). I'm…
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Participants: Seth L. Blumberg, Ron Edwards, Paul Czege, Mike Holmes.

2/19/2002 Tim Denee: Criminal fiction GNS model
I was reading a book about writing criminal fiction, (as in fiction detailing criminals, not rogue fictional characters...), and came across this in the foreword. If you can't see the…
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Participants: Tim Denee, contracycle.

2/21/2002 Christopher Kubasik: Simulationsit Reality and Narrativist Reality
Oops. My bad. I just resurrected a thread Jesse had started eight months ago. My intention wasn't so much to give Jesse advice (I assume he'd probably dealt with the…
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Participants: Christopher Kubasik, Ron Edwards, A.Neill, Gordon C. Landis, Paul Czege, joshua neff, Steve Dustin, jburneko, lumpley.

3/1/2002 Valamir: Ported GNS Thread from Sorcerer
As Ron pointed out one of the threads over in the Sorcerer forum evolved into a GNS discussion and by rights should be over here. So since Gordon made some…
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Participants: Valamir, joshua neff.

3/7/2002 Ian O'Rourke: GNS on RPG.NET
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2781 Another theory proposed, and probably another debate off miss-quotes and 'don't label me comments' on rpg.net. Might be worth checking out.
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Participants: Ian O'Rourke, Valamir, gentrification, Christopher Kubasik, Mytholder, Blake Hutchins.

3/7/2002 joe_llama: GNS Showdown
(This post also appears on RPG Net for a different purpose) First, I'm supposed to use this time slot to write game design comments for Universalis and instead I'm wasting…
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Participants: joe_llama, J B Bell, Le Joueur, Seth L. Blumberg, C. Edwards, contracycle, Bankuei, Mike Holmes, Fabrice G., Emily Care, Valamir, Ron Edwards, Blake Hutchins.

3/7/2002 jburneko: Character Simulationism & Narrativism
This is an extention of my ever changing quest to clearly define the lines between certain brands of 'story oriented' simulationism and Narrativism. I think I've finally nailed the difference…
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Participants: jburneko, Mike Holmes, Valamir, Gordon C. Landis.

3/8/2002 Valamir: Submitted for discussion:
[b]A GNS Primer[/b] 3/8/02 Based on the GNS Theory created by Ron Edwards, and on the collective work of members of The Forge. The purpose of this primer is to…
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Participants: Valamir, Ron Edwards, Christopher Kubasik.

3/12/2002 contracycle: model proposition
Well, having spent some time trawling through RPGnet, and participated in various back and forths here and there, I thought I'd take the opportunity to lay out a diffiuclty I…
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Participants: contracycle, Valamir, Mike Holmes, Le Joueur, Ron Edwards, Laurel, Gordon C. Landis, Marco, Mytholder, Walt Freitag.

3/12/2002 Ron Edwards: Seven major misconceptions about GNS
Hello, Given the most recent mishegoss about the topic on RPG.net, and putting aside for the moment various personal attacks on me, I thought I'd outline the wide variety of…
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Participants: Ron Edwards, Jack Spencer Jr, joshua neff, Christopher Kubasik, Thor Olavsrud.

3/12/2002 GB Steve: (Split from "Seven Misconceptions") Cult of GNS
[quote="joshua neff"] [i]Citing a point Ron made by starting a sentence with "Ron said..." is not slavish & cultish devotion, but merely citation. Also, agreeing with something someone (for example,…
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Participants: GB Steve, Clinton R. Nixon, Steve Dustin, Gordon C. Landis, Mike Holmes, Valamir, Ron Edwards, Jack Spencer Jr, Bankuei, Blake Hutchins, Matt Snyder, Christopher Kubasik, Laurel.

3/12/2002 Gordon C. Landis: Side Issues
EDIT: Uh, it'd be fine with me if this got merged in with the response Clinton made when he split-off Steve's post . . . I wanted to respond to…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, Ron Edwards.

3/13/2002 Gordon C. Landis: Top valid concerns about GNS
I thought this might be another angle to take at reducing the furor/missunderstandings around GNS - explicitly acknowledging where issues exist and where rational individuals may disagree. I've only got…
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Participants: Gordon C. Landis, Ron Edwards, Mike Holmes, Mytholder, Le Joueur, Laurel, Clinton R. Nixon, J B Bell.

3/14/2002 Laurel: Does GNS Make Me Happier?
This is a split off of Top Concerns for GNS based on Clinton's response that GNS was influential on Donjon and Donjon's success as a topic of conversation is making…
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Participants: Laurel, Christopher Kubasik, J B Bell, AndyGuest, Ron Edwards, Mike Holmes, contracycle, unodiablo, Gordon C. Landis, Seth L. Blumberg, Ian O'Rourke, Logan, deidzoeb, Clinton R. Nixon, Ian Cooper, Bankuei, WhistlinFiend, Valamir, Blake Hutchins.

3/16/2002 Valamir: GNS incoherency
Mike and I spent a good couple hours discussing this last weekend (after his entire gaming group bailed on us....;-) I thought it would make for an interesting discussion. We…
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Participants: Valamir, Ron Edwards.

3/21/2002 Butch: a little bit of controversy?!
Hello everybody! Just a little topic to go with the previous one ("a new rpg")!!! I have this rpg that I'm designing (I have the premise, a good idea of…
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Participants: Butch, Valamir, Laurel, xiombarg, Clinton R. Nixon, Garbanzo, Ron Edwards, joshua neff.

3/22/2002 Butch: again, with the GNS model!
I was just thinking about a way to explain the GNS way and I came with this (if it's been already discussed please... feel free to crucify me!!!): Can the…
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Participants: Butch, joshua neff, Clinton R. Nixon, xiombarg, Valamir, Christopher Kubasik, Laurel, Mike Holmes.

3/25/2002 Valamir: Motivations in GNS
[quote="Ron Edwards wrote:"] Hey Ralph, I'm a liiiiittle uncomfortable with your phraseology, although I do agree that we're aiming at the same thing. I don't think we are dealing with…
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Participants: Valamir, Ron Edwards.

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